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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg you're back with

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gene and Chris at the para cast and know

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ladies and gentlemen I have not been

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abducted although some of our enemies

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would prefer I was abducted you haven't

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been abducted lately have you Chris uh

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no but what enemies I didn't know we had

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enemies we have enemies I think they're

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people who don't like what we do they

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criticize us for running too many

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commercials even though we run the same

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numbers coast to coast am in the same

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type of schedule in terms of the

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frequency they criticize us if we ask

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questions are too tough they criticize

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us if we ask questions that seem too

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tame they criticize us because we break

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at regular times for a sponsor break

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like all commercial radio shows do or

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they just can't stand us they don't like

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your jokes they don't like my jokes

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nobody hates an awful awful strong word

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there jean i think maybe people might

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have issues but i don't think hey we're

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lovable guys man Wow a few things I've

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read are more than that especially when

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they post things on iTunes and elsewhere

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but I think that's the nature of posting

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reviews of something because people can

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post anonymously they're not accountable

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to anything they don't hold back and

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sometimes they're just rival shows who

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want to attack the competition or rival

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products if it's software or book

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authors or things like that there you go

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anyway I was thinking about abductions

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because just this past weekend I saw a

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UFO abduction movie called dark skies

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now I know most of you remember dark

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skies as a 1996 NBC TV series produced

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by Bryce Abel who's been on the show a

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couple of times and that was kind of one

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of these UFO Roswell kind of shows it

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didn't make it past the first season but

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gotten a lot of good reviews so what

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happened here is the producers of the

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movie paranormal activity you've heard

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of that

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mm-hmm you know with all the shakey cams

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and the night vision all that stuff they

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produce a more traditional movie called

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dark skies starring Keri Russell whom

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you might remember from a TV comedy

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called Felicity

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and she's also star of a new show called

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the Americans where she plays a Soviet

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agent planted in the u.s. pretending

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she's an American citizen all right very

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good actress she carries the movie so

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it's about aliens who are following this

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family it's kind of exaggerated I won't

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give you the spoiler in case you wanna

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watch it it's not a bad film I thought

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was going to be a load of junk but it's

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actually done very well the suspense is

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kept to a minimum you don't have all

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these explicit violence scenes a lot of

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things are suggested and I think it's a

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better way to make a movie so they

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actually did a very good job on it but I

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think about abductions when we go back

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to last week's appearance with Denis

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stoner and Kathleen Martin and as you

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know Denise and her husband have had

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some very serious abduction encounters

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this is form the basis of a lot of

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comments in our forums some talk about

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coarse sleep paralysis but how is sleep

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paralysis relate if you're in your car

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you see something and then three hours

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have passed how do you explain that how

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do you explain when someone apparently

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has some kind of implant in their body

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how do you account for stuff like that

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and that's what continues to bother me

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about this thing I don't think that

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she's the kind of person Denise stoner

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to just make it up because her

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background is pretty serious no she has

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a pretty straightforward background

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working for the government she's worked

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as a UFO investigator for MUFON but that

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for the most part is pretty

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straight-laced organization you know you

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don't have lots of crackpots and cranks

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hanging out there so the question goes

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back to it what happened to her it's a

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real head-scratcher that's for sure I've

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always been offensive when it comes to

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this particular mystery I maybe I'm

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jealous that I wasn't taken up on on a

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ship or something I don't know I don't

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know what to make of it I think a lot of

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these accounts bear scrutiny and they do

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investigation but it's really difficult

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to determine who's actually having real

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experiences that they can't explain and

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who may be delusional I think you have

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to separate out the real good cases III

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don't think all people's claims are

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necessarily accurate so we need to pull

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out the best cases and really really

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look at them and and come up with a some

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sort of creative approach I think to

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investigating these things so we

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mentioned a few things at the end of the

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episode last week so I'm just puzzled

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her very interesting account that

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occurred in South Park there's been a

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history of just amazing

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activity there so it doesn't surprise me

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a bit that she had what appears to be on

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the surface some sort of abduction type

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event I mean where did all that time go

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so the question is what really happened

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are they interpreting what really

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happened this is where I sort of feel we

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diverged in our paths from what they

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were telling us to what we were trying

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to suggest which is are they number one

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remembering the experience as it was are

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they remembering the experience as they

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interpret it in a very subjective way

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because it's so alien to their

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experience or is the experience somehow

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manipulated for them so they see

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something that somebody else is

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generating but that's not actually

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what's going on now one of the things

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they claimed to use in their research is

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something that I will call a fact in

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fact being some piece of information and

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law enforcement officers do this too by

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the way where they withhold a piece of

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evidence and use that as a basis to

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evaluate somebody's claims so in the

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case of law enforcement officer maybe to

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see whether a person is guilty or

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innocent or know something about a crime

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that they could not have known so in the

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case of abductees some abduction

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researchers have this fact this piece of

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information that if they're questioning

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reveals something that affirms this fact

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they believe the abduction you know yeah

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I've done that too I have some key

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phrases observations that instantly make

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me pay attention when I hear them

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and it's not surprising that they've

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developed their own early warning sort

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of red flag system it makes sense the

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question of course is can that

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information leak as soon as it leaks as

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soon as people know what the fact is

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then they can exploit it you see this

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goes back to a time where years ago

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and UFOs and was the co-founder of fate

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magazine he once said he had a fact by

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which he judged whether UFO cases were

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real and people said well tell us the

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fact why withhold it and his argument

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always was if he did then it could be

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exploited and people could create fake

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experiences so he keeps it to himself

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now supposedly in his final years he had

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begun to reveal this fact but never seem

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to have gotten around to it so who knows

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but the thing I wonder about here is

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even if the fact that an abduction

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researcher like a kathleen Mardon uses

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is a valid way to research it it doesn't

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prove what the causes you'd only proves

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that someone had what appears to be a

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valid experience it doesn't tell us

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whether it accurately reflects the real

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experience it doesn't tell us whether

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it's ET whether it's a higher power

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whether it's computerized intelligence

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like John keel once talked about whether

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it's something just manipulating with us

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or something else right or like Steven

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Greer maintains that all abductions real

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abductions are done by the military I

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wouldn't be surprised if some are but

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you know we don't want to attribute

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anything that's factual to Steven Greer

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that would be taking us into another

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dimension which I'd rather not get into

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yeah the my lab military abduction oh

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yes in any case we'll have something a

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little bit more mainstream about UFOs on

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this week's episode because we have a

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former police officer is involved in

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investigating UFO cases I met Gary

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Heseltine at the recent citizens hearing

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on disclosure I've been an admirer of

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his work for years correspondent with

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him I think through email back in the

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late 90s he is a long time serving

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detective law enforcement officer in

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England he had an amazing experience in

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the 70s that you

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experience and watched his town power

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down apparently as a result of this

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white brilliant white light that flew

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over we're gonna I'm sure hear about

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that event but gary has put together the

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policemen's UFO database basically and

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he's been combing through law

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enforcement reports for years and

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listing down on duty and off-duty

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reports by law enforcement officials

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around the world and he's got the

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largest database of its kind and I can't

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wait to talk to him at length about this

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work and also get his impressions of

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where the field is what he thought of

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the Citizen hearing and much more Gary's

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a really interesting guy and I'm really

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happy that I finally got a chance to

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meet him Gary Heseltine joining gene and

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Kris you're in the para cast attack of

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the rock odes has been well received by

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critics and readers alike it's a thrill

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is haunted by intense dreams about a

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beautiful woman pleading for his help

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after a terrible battle in outer space

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but the dreams turned out to be true and

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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

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with a woman whose faraway planet is

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a former police officer who has set up

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an organization called police report UFO

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Gary welcome to the para cast welcome to

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you it's a pleasure to be your guest so

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let's talk about how you got involved in

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the study of UFOs and it involves the

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time that you saw a UFO for yourself a

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number of years ago yeah began with a

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childhood sighting I was aged 15 in my

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hometown of Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire

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in England and I was walking my

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then-girlfriend home hold on I want

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embarrassed by name in a surname now we

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were walking along a very narrow

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footpath with no street lighting at that

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time and on the left side of us as we

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walked forward was my what you would say

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high school comprehensive school fields

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and on the right side in England we call

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them allotments these are like garden

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areas for people to grow vegetables so

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it was effectively a rural area on both

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sides fields on one side and a garden

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area in darkness on the other side and

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as we looked forward we could see at the

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end of this long alleyway housing in the

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distance which would odd obviously he

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was dark it was about 8

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9 o'clock at night he was a totally

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cloudless sky one of those balmy summer

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nights for all the stars of twinkling

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nor clouds which is rare in England

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basically as we watched we were walk-in

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forward we saw coming from our right to

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left at an elevation of I would say

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approximately 60 degrees all you can

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describe it as a bright white light heat

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appeared to be moving very slowly it was

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much bigger than the stars in the

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background and I would estimate anywhere

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five to ten thousand feet not that high

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and basically was moving very slowly and

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there was no noise we just stopped and

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thought this is a knob light and then

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suddenly as it went past as if you can

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imagine a pathway in front of you a

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straight line in front of you and then

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the object passing over you essentially

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saw you were now behind its flight path

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well what happened was all the howls in

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in the distance all the power and in the

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distance and the housing was so cut off

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a power cut for want of a better word

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but it was only behind the area of the

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light now rightly or wrongly dawn became

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frightened and she got upset we watched

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the light the news door nor and

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basically what happened was there was a

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second power cut behind the flight path

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of the housing in the distance and the

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object was moving very slowly in the

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direction of my home I was walking her

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my girlfriend home at that time and I

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had my bicycle with me and so what I

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said was he's look sending towards my

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house get on the bike on the crossbar

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and the two of us I'll ride you back

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drop you off at your house which wasn't

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that far from the end of the alleyway

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and I will try to take a shortcut in'

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and see if I can catch up with his life

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and basically that's what I did I

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dropped her off at her house er the olla

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area it was in doubt and Snorlax is you

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whatsoever and then basically I got back

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on the bike roared like mad went back

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down the same alleyway eventually it

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turned right onto a main road I went

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about three-quarters of a mile and

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eventually I could see that in the

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distance the power was still on by this

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corner near to where I lived the power

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was still on in the distance but not in

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the

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initially I was riding through so I

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roared like mad and I remember

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distinctly getting to this corner which

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was a left unbend and getting into the

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light so moving from complete darkness

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into where the street lights were on and

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the house lights wrong and as I looked

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over my right shoulder at that point I

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could see the same white bright white

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light slowly at an angle slightly behind

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me so therefore I'd got ahead of it he

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was still I didn't in the direction of

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my home I went round three corners from

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that point which was literally about

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another 45 seconds of cycling drop my

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bike outside the front door rushed in to

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my parents who were in the living room

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having a cup of tea suppertime as we

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would call it and said come outside I

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think there's gonna be a power cook

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caused by this strange bright light they

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just looked at me bemused as you would

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didn't move so therefore I ran through

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the hall ran through the kitchen out

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into the back garden turned around to

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now face back at my semi-detached house

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as we would call in England look back at

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the house just in time to see the light

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coming over the rooftop now it is it's

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coming over the rooftop literally I'm in

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the garden I put my arm straight above

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my head straight up like a Superman

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impression and basically when the object

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went past me and therefore I was then

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behind its flight path there was a

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massive power cut in the whole area went

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out now it's at that point there how

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could I predict a power cook so it's I

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realized that that lights from a second

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geographical position must have

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interacted with the power grid in some

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way and that's my original story how

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long did this power outage last not long

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25 30 minutes as I remember I'm not

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absolutely certain but it wasn't that

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long and when I went back into my house

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I said well I told you that was that

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light and they said oh it must be a

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coincidence or whatever they didn't

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believe me they were just seeking in

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doubt as to get candles out we weren't

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on the phone at that time in 1975 the

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nearest farm box for me was about a ten

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minute walk so who do you ring anyway so

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I didn't ring anybody my parents just

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dismissed it and whilst puzzled I didn't

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do anything about it the only thing that

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in a sense what happened in the days and

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weeks afterwards is that I had never

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ever been interested in the subject to

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the UI for that until that point I then

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saw kind of validation as to what's

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happened I've seen an unidentified light

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which is all it was I don't know what it

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was basically I all I could do in the

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era before video recording and VHS and

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Betamax machines was to look in

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secondhand book shops and I think by

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whatever strange reason the first book

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that I ever got was by major Donald

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Kehoe in a secondhand bookshop and it

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was straightway told me about the New

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York blackout in I think 1965 which some

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people would put down as a UFO trigger

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that caused that major blackout for

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several hours and that kind of validated

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what had happened to me how could I

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predict a power cut it was ridiculous

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you know how could I predict a power cut

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to that very moment it must be something

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else other than me well the thing here

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of course is can we really connect the

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light in the sky to the blackout now was

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there ever an official explanation from

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the authorities as to why the blackout

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occurred I didn't look

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I was so naive about the subject I

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didn't even look I didn't even look in

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the local paper the next day the locals

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could not be evening Telegraph so I

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don't know I should have obviously I

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should have forgotten you what I knew

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now but I didn't then my parents just

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dismissed it I don't know why I didn't

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look but I didn't

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well the question is now can you today

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go back to the newspaper archives or

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morgue and see if there was a report

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about the power outage check the

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documents check the officials wouldn't

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that be a way of validating your case no

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absolutely that's on my agenda at some

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point I've done lots of newspaper

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archive trails and that's one thing that

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I could do to try to validate the only

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validation I've ever had and again it's

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not a good enough validation from my

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police training point of view is when I

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first went public with this at a

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conference the very first conference

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where I was introduced to UFO

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conferencing I think in late late 2001 I

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was introduced by the then former editor

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of UFO magazine which was a British

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publication

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a guy called Graeme bird slew suddenly

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passed away at the end of it suddenly

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came up to me who I didn't recognize

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initially because he was completely bald

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and when I knew him we'll find out who

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that person who came up to him was we

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[Music]

641
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:09,430
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

642
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:22,590
we have Gary Heseltine he is a UFO

643
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:25,810
investigator former police officer we

644
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:27,820
were talking about his sighting back in

645
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,390
1975 which may have been connected to a

646
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:34,000
power outage but now you're talking Gary

647
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,900
about this UFO conference where you met

648
00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:40,480
up with someone tell us some more yeah

649
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:44,470
the only validation and it's not I would

650
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,510
call a definitive invalidation at all is

651
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:48,400
that this conference where I'd first

652
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:50,590
been introduced to an audience a line of

653
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:52,330
people eventually passed away didn't get

654
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:54,670
and and this man stood in front of me

655
00:27:59,730 --> 00:27:56,650
which early didn't recognize he wasn't

656
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,740
bald nor hair whatsoever and wearing

657
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:02,320
glasses he told me his name and I knew

658
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:05,650
the name basically he was somebody from

659
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:08,650
school but I changed so many years later

660
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:10,810
I just didn't recognize him at all but

661
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:12,760
anyway what he said he says I saw what

662
00:28:16,830 --> 00:28:14,920
you saw and this is what didn't what do

663
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:16,840
you mean and he said well we were

664
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playing football in the street on a

665
00:28:23,220 --> 00:28:21,490
street that was very close to where my

666
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,230
original sighting was moved to the

667
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:25,360
alleyway and he said we were playing one

668
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:27,250
night and we saw this object passing in

669
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:29,050
the sky and then there was this power

670
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:30,970
cook and I distinctly remember it

671
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:32,500
massive old you know the date and he

672
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:34,750
said no I says can you be sure about the

673
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:37,870
year he said well I think it's 1975 and

674
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I said can you give me any of the other

675
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:40,600
information this is apart from being

676
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:43,180
summer that's what I remember any I

677
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:45,130
remember the power being out for half an

678
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hour and funnily enough Rob saman was

679
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:50,950
present when this guy came up to me and

680
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,320
said this because I remember I've never

681
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:54,880
had any kind of validation at all

682
00:28:59,700 --> 00:28:57,340
anything similar and my hair stood on

683
00:29:02,130 --> 00:28:59,710
the back of my neck and Rob Simone was

684
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,140
like stood at the side of us ready to

685
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,720
speak to me and I looked at him and it

686
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:06,880
was a bit weird but but that's not good

687
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:09,070
enough in terms of definitively proving

688
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:11,380
because we've no exact dates we've no

689
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:14,410
exact time etc he could be any number of

690
00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:16,750
things but this is very similar account

691
00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:18,940
which is in the right kind of timeframe

692
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:22,900
summer of 75 and basically describing an

693
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:24,940
object in the sky in the same area

694
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:27,820
within I would say less than a half a

695
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:29,920
mile quarter of a mile from where

696
00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:31,750
we first saw it on the alleyway so it's

697
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:34,270
very close so it's either two incidents

698
00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:37,210
or possibly the same but we definitely

699
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:39,580
can't prove either wise either way can I

700
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:41,350
give you a homework assignment here and

701
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:46,810
that is okay exactly

702
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:48,670
I'd like to see you go through the

703
00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:50,650
archives because obviously we're not

704
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:52,270
going to see anything online or maybe we

705
00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:54,250
will go through the archives from your

706
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:57,580
local newspapers and see if back in 1975

707
00:30:03,480 --> 00:29:59,860
there was a report about a brief power

708
00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:03,490
outage and also about possible UFOs and

709
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:06,400
listeners let's go back in time if you

710
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:10,270
live in the UK yeah the summer of 1975

711
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:12,970
did you see a UFO did you have a power

712
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:15,220
outage around the same time I think this

713
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:16,920
is something we'd like to nail down and

714
00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:20,620
certainly yeah well let's get started

715
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,390
let's follow Davis but let's talk about

716
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:25,360
the fact that you established an

717
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,460
organization I guess around this time is

718
00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:29,440
this what triggered your interest in

719
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:32,560
establishing your own database of UFO

720
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:33,730
encounters involving law enforcement

721
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:38,620
officers very precise number of steps

722
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:40,150
that actually led me to create in the

723
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:42,310
database and the first step was my own

724
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:45,310
sighting in 75 but then I went away from

725
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:48,670
the subject for absolutely 1718 years

726
00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:51,340
other than watching it on TV anything

727
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:53,020
that was read in the papers I didn't

728
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:54,460
really do anything about it I didn't

729
00:30:58,350 --> 00:30:56,440
become an inactive researcher I went to

730
00:31:01,230 --> 00:30:58,360
where I had a life join the Air Force as

731
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:01,240
a police officer between 1983 and 89 and

732
00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:03,430
a couple children that kind of thing and

733
00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:05,860
really went on the back burner and then

734
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:10,270
it was really only in about 1995 when I

735
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:12,010
was already a police officer by six

736
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:13,780
years already a detective at that point

737
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:17,110
when I came across a glossy magazine

738
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:19,240
called you wear four magazine which was

739
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:21,790
this publication by Graeme birds which

740
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:23,890
was very well established sold all

741
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:26,190
around the world 40 odd countries and

742
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:30,430
I'd read all about pilots in the 50s

743
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:33,310
from the Donal Kehoe book that I

744
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,590
originally got as a 15 year old and then

745
00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:37,600
had got at that time had got a few other

746
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:40,540
second-hand books which I collected but

747
00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:42,370
then had had to gone away a handle life

748
00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:45,430
normal things and that it was only 1995

749
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:47,500
when I come across this glossy magazine

750
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:49,420
and it just looked like any other glossy

751
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:52,840
magazine in in the newsagent and I

752
00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:54,760
thought wow this has moved on a bit this

753
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:58,660
is a nice scientific looking magazine it

754
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:01,240
was nonsense Asian allistic but it kind

755
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:03,640
of like focused in on pilot reports

756
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:06,220
military ports read our reports but of

757
00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:07,870
course I was then a police officer sorry

758
00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:09,550
I was looking through evidential eyes

759
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,830
over the next couple of years I got the

760
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:14,559
magazine which was then bimonthly there

761
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:17,050
is a UFO magazine published in America

762
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:19,450
originally from Donn and Vicki akron l

763
00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:21,910
by l burns although would happen had an

764
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:23,590
issue out in a year this is a totally

765
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:26,980
separate magazine it was a British

766
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:30,580
research core Graeme Birdsall and it ran

767
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:33,640
for about 15-20 years and he used to

768
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:35,620
have a three-day major you out for

769
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,440
conference in Leeds and it ran for

770
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:40,000
twenty-one years until he died and he

771
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:43,750
died he died sadly in 2003 just before

772
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:46,360
the what was going to be the 22nd annual

773
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:48,370
conference so yeah he was a totally

774
00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:50,380
British publication some people who know

775
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,600
the publication would arguably say it

776
00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:54,580
was the best UFO magazine has ever been

777
00:32:58,530 --> 00:32:56,950
I personally think that's true but

778
00:33:00,570 --> 00:32:58,540
that's for everybody's interpretation

779
00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:00,580
but basically that was the magazine that

780
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:03,400
I saw that rekindled my interest to the

781
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:05,620
point where I started to get books that

782
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:07,330
had been written in the intervening in

783
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:09,730
1718 years have been aware from the

784
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:12,400
subject and this included books like the

785
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:14,710
renowned British author Tim good above

786
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:17,800
top secret beyond top secret a Nick

787
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:19,690
Redfern was an up-and-coming author a

788
00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:22,210
core vagenda cosmic crash is that kind

789
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:24,040
of thing and I read those and I thought

790
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:27,160
wow you know there seems to be credible

791
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:29,800
evidence from people that I would

792
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:32,500
respect ie pilots military commercial

793
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:35,770
read our operators air traffic control

794
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:38,650
as Sean our operators etc credible

795
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:40,540
people high-caliber witnesses as I call

796
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,720
and and over that couple of years I

797
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:46,240
began to think well I'm getting

798
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:48,400
frustrated here because there's still

799
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:49,990
nothing in the media all these years

800
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:52,870
it's still trivialized in the media we

801
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,180
still are made to look

802
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:56,940
idiots and I felt myself being compelled

803
00:34:01,940 --> 00:33:59,700
into the subject shall we say wanting to

804
00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:01,950
do something so that was the second step

805
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,800
finding the magazine the third steps of

806
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:07,260
it bizarre cuz basically after a couple

807
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:11,940
years around 1998 I said I had a dream

808
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,890
and everybody dreams but I don't usually

809
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:16,230
remember dreams but I had a very vivid

810
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:19,649
dream that upon waking was of a scenario

811
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:22,700
a fictional scenario of what could

812
00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:25,350
prompt governments around the world to

813
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,750
force their hands to reveal all they

814
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:29,159
know on the subject so it was a

815
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:30,990
fictional kind of Hollywood blockbuster

816
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:33,270
and it was the idea for a film now I

817
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never written anything in my life

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00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:37,740
suddenly I've got this idea and I felt

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compelled with no writing experience nor

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knowledge of layouts or anything like

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that to write this story down and over

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00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,740
the next six weeks I then brought my

823
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:51,720
first screenplay written for full-length

824
00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:54,270
feature film scripts and the first one I

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00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:56,340
wrote called conclusive proof fictional

826
00:35:02,480 --> 00:34:59,160
scenario and I wrote it with no prior

827
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,490
knowledge and a royalty and what it did

828
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:04,680
at the end of it what it proved to me

829
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:06,390
isn't one I could write because I've

830
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written a beginning a middle and an end

831
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,100
which had never done before and so what

832
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,440
I wanted was validation so who better to

833
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,660
send it to was the ingrain birds like

834
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,300
the magazine so I sent it to him

835
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:20,400
thinking I'd never hear anything back

836
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,830
about three weeks after sending it to

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him I'll get a form call one tea time

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and he basically was enthusiastic about

839
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:32,010
it saying make a great film blah blah

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00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:35,250
blah so much so that he actually sent me

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00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:37,470
like a certificate saying this would

842
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make a great film blah blah blah now

843
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:41,490
help you in any way I can which I didn't

844
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:45,000
expect that then he then invited me to

845
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:49,980
go to his upcoming 21st annual UFO

846
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:52,290
conference in Leeds I worked in Leeds

847
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:53,730
what's the odds of that it is on my

848
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:57,060
doorstep so I went along he introduced

849
00:36:00,590 --> 00:35:58,410
me to the audience which is where this

850
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,600
kind of little story validation to my

851
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:02,460
childhood sighting came around and on

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the strength of that and seeing some of

853
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the lectures I again felt being drawn

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more into the subject but what

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eventually made me realize that I wanted

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to get involved was it was a feeling

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00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:18,579
that a frustration it was a sense of

858
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frustration that the media were

859
00:36:25,499 --> 00:36:23,799
trivializing the subject and I knew what

860
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:25,509
evidence was in terms of what would

861
00:36:30,059 --> 00:36:28,210
stand up in a court of law and that were

862
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:30,069
trivializing it so it's that sense of

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frustration I understand what you're

864
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saying we're gonna do our break now and

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continue with this discussion Gary

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you are listening to the podcast on the

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power cast with gene and Chris Gary

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Heseltine joining us he's a former

969
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police officer who got involved in

970
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investigating UFOs had his interest

971
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:22,660
triggered by his own UFO encounter back

972
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in the summer of 1975 now a fast

973
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question here you're a retired police

974
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:32,080
officer did you retire for the time to

975
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:34,180
do more UFO research because it was your

976
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:38,530
time what yeah absolutely when I started

977
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:41,110
the database which was in January 2002

978
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:43,270
with an article that appeared in that

979
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,520
UFO magazine because after that

980
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:46,960
conference I basically went to grain

981
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:49,120
birds'll and said look can I about this

982
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:51,130
idea for a database a police officer

983
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,870
sightings can I write an article for you

984
00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:54,880
magazine I've never written before he

985
00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:56,620
said yes I like the idea of it sounds

986
00:42:01,800 --> 00:41:58,420
credible so I did that so it was

987
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:01,810
launched public in January 19 2002 and

988
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:03,910
straight away I got officers responding

989
00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:06,190
and and it literally is carried on since

990
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:09,100
then so that's basically where where it

991
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:09,760
all began

992
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:12,700
let's go back here very briefly to those

993
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:14,980
screenplays you wrote were they ever

994
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:16,990
considered to make actual movies or TV

995
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:20,380
shows yeah I mind I didn't know anything

996
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:23,800
about formats and it's a very stringent

997
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:27,790
formats yes I know I've done it oh yeah

998
00:42:33,329 --> 00:42:29,950
it was submitted to a number of people I

999
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:33,339
did the various courses and things like

1000
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:36,250
that and I got some good reviews but it

1001
00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:38,020
normally would make it they are now

1002
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:39,460
never made a breakthrough but it's like

1003
00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:42,040
it unless you're in the subject unless

1004
00:42:46,050 --> 00:42:43,900
you've got somebody pushing you who can

1005
00:42:48,359 --> 00:42:46,060
open a dog who's within it it's very

1006
00:42:50,339 --> 00:42:48,369
hard from somebody in the on the beach

1007
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:50,349
as it were to pick up a great a son it's

1008
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:52,390
a bit like that analogy unless somebody

1009
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:53,530
opens a door you're never going to get

1010
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:55,480
in so that's something that if I ever

1011
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:57,130
did make a breakthrough and perhaps

1012
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:59,140
we'll talk about the Rendlesham script

1013
00:43:02,609 --> 00:43:00,339
that I've written with Colonel Charles

1014
00:43:04,109 --> 00:43:02,619
halt which stands a good chance I think

1015
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:04,119
of making a breakthrough at some point

1016
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:07,089
then that I would then go back at some

1017
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:09,609
point to conclusive proof because

1018
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:11,560
everybody is ready so it's a really good

1019
00:43:16,349 --> 00:43:14,260
story and I actually turned it into a

1020
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:16,359
hundred thousand word book I've got it

1021
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:18,280
and I'm kind of like toying with the

1022
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:20,260
idea of releasing it there's an e-book

1023
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:22,450
because the technology is there now

1024
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,180
I'd need a couple of months to revamp it

1025
00:43:29,849 --> 00:43:28,000
but essentially could bring it out as an

1026
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,859
e-book in the next few months if I saw

1027
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:31,839
decided so something I may go back to

1028
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:33,220
because he's a good story

1029
00:43:37,319 --> 00:43:35,140
I got several questions asked but first

1030
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,329
of all piece of advice from those of us

1031
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:38,800
who have been there in book writing like

1032
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:41,170
myself and Chris before you publish your

1033
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:43,930
book get a professional editor hire a

1034
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:46,180
professional editor to do it for you

1035
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,490
because there's no way nobody out there

1036
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:50,920
is capable of editing all their own work

1037
00:43:56,819 --> 00:43:53,020
you need a professional a third party

1038
00:43:59,130 --> 00:43:56,829
who is skilled okay this doesn't reflect

1039
00:44:02,010 --> 00:43:59,140
on the quality of your writing no this

1040
00:44:04,290 --> 00:44:02,020
is some from people who've done it right

1041
00:44:06,839 --> 00:44:04,300
find the things that you missed okay

1042
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:06,849
Colonel Charles halt was on the power

1043
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:12,970
cast two weeks ago a few days ago yeah

1044
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:14,829
well okay so how did you hook up with

1045
00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:16,780
him and how did you come by writing this

1046
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:18,460
script about renders from well basically

1047
00:44:23,749 --> 00:44:22,630
that again is is it is a tale in itself

1048
00:44:27,019 --> 00:44:23,759
and he I was

1049
00:44:29,689 --> 00:44:27,029
now I'm not religious in anywhere and I

1050
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,699
never believed in fear to such or

1051
00:44:33,529 --> 00:44:31,619
anything like that but there are some

1052
00:44:35,749 --> 00:44:33,539
bizarre kind of synchronicities which is

1053
00:44:37,939 --> 00:44:35,759
a word I've never used before but what

1054
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,949
happened there was that because of my

1055
00:44:45,019 --> 00:44:40,619
work on the database and that and I

1056
00:44:48,289 --> 00:44:45,029
think by about 9 2006 I'd collected

1057
00:44:50,959 --> 00:44:48,299
about 200 cases involving about 500

1058
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:50,969
officers so it was already a substantial

1059
00:44:56,659 --> 00:44:54,089
amount of officers involved the the UFO

1060
00:44:59,059 --> 00:44:56,669
Hunters program approach me with

1061
00:45:01,009 --> 00:44:59,069
National Geographic to to do a program

1062
00:45:02,479 --> 00:45:01,019
on law enforcement officers and they

1063
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:02,489
wanted to do a bit about the date of

1064
00:45:06,379 --> 00:45:04,169
this so anyway there's ongoing

1065
00:45:08,029 --> 00:45:06,389
negotiations about what's gonna be in

1066
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:08,039
the program bla bla bla and then

1067
00:45:11,059 --> 00:45:09,630
eventually it gets to the filming

1068
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:11,069
schedule and they said I were flying

1069
00:45:17,479 --> 00:45:15,089
over with the crew in December 2007 I

1070
00:45:18,949 --> 00:45:17,489
think it was and basically I said well

1071
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:18,959
ok then sir

1072
00:45:23,479 --> 00:45:21,689
you coming over to film about me and my

1073
00:45:25,099 --> 00:45:23,489
work on the database well what other

1074
00:45:27,259 --> 00:45:25,109
subjects are you gonna be filming in

1075
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:27,269
England and they said Rendlesham forest

1076
00:45:32,419 --> 00:45:30,569
well when they said that I said who you

1077
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:32,429
bringing over for that and they said oh

1078
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:34,169
we're bringing all the Colonel Holt and

1079
00:45:37,999 --> 00:45:35,579
I said well that's good because I'd like

1080
00:45:39,949 --> 00:45:38,009
to meet him they said why and I said

1081
00:45:42,859 --> 00:45:39,959
well I followed the case for a long time

1082
00:45:45,169 --> 00:45:42,869
and perhaps I'm in a unique position to

1083
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:45,179
be able to answer the case because

1084
00:45:51,139 --> 00:45:49,079
between 1983 1989 I had served in the

1085
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,149
Royal Air Force as a police officer and

1086
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:53,880
for three of my six years I'd served on

1087
00:45:59,179 --> 00:45:56,880
two nuclear bases doing exactly the same

1088
00:46:01,429 --> 00:45:59,189
job that those US Air Force police

1089
00:46:04,099 --> 00:46:01,439
officer dormant bentwood in Woodbridge

1090
00:46:05,899 --> 00:46:04,109
so I kind of knew the inside Sokka now

1091
00:46:07,759 --> 00:46:05,909
it would work nuclear weapons and in

1092
00:46:09,649 --> 00:46:07,769
fact when I looked at some of the

1093
00:46:12,649 --> 00:46:09,659
photographs that were out there of the

1094
00:46:14,539 --> 00:46:12,659
Bentwaters weapons storage area when I

1095
00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:14,549
looked at a photograph I take in a

1096
00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:17,219
burial a Brooks weapons storage area

1097
00:46:21,139 --> 00:46:19,019
after the basic clause and I'd gone back

1098
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:21,149
a few years later I was allowed to walk

1099
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,339
around it freely it was an identical

1100
00:46:29,179 --> 00:46:25,380
layout so I knew it was a nuclear base

1101
00:46:30,649 --> 00:46:29,189
and basically I said well I'd like to

1102
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,659
meet him because I'm sure that there's

1103
00:46:35,029 --> 00:46:32,819
other witnesses there's got to be more

1104
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:35,039
witnesses who were on the site itself a

1105
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,049
weapons storage area site and also

1106
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,880
the people in the tower would have

1107
00:46:42,979 --> 00:46:40,859
definitely seen anything above treetops

1108
00:46:45,499 --> 00:46:42,989
heights and bear in mind that the trees

1109
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,509
at that time when it was a working bears

1110
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:47,339
had to be kept it I think at 40 feet

1111
00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:51,839
high uniform around the base and the the

1112
00:46:56,359 --> 00:46:53,429
actual towel was eighty feet high so

1113
00:46:57,949 --> 00:46:56,369
you'd had a full 360 view so they said

1114
00:47:00,199 --> 00:46:57,959
oh well yeah we're quite like that idea

1115
00:47:02,449 --> 00:47:00,209
so in a sense through my own

1116
00:47:05,269 --> 00:47:02,459
manipulation of the situation they

1117
00:47:08,179 --> 00:47:05,279
engineered to meet hope and they went

1118
00:47:11,179 --> 00:47:08,189
for it and as luck would have it on the

1119
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:11,189
day I arrived at the hotel the film crew

1120
00:47:15,769 --> 00:47:13,140
is I think of about seven o'clock in the

1121
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:15,779
evening and I arrived checked into the

1122
00:47:20,209 --> 00:47:18,839
hotel and the there was a message for me

1123
00:47:21,889 --> 00:47:20,219
saying all the film crew around about

1124
00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:21,899
doing some filming and then as it

1125
00:47:26,689 --> 00:47:24,809
happened I saw Colonel Holt in the hotel

1126
00:47:28,969 --> 00:47:26,699
and he didn't recognize me but I

1127
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:28,979
recognized him and so I approached him

1128
00:47:33,739 --> 00:47:31,649
and said you know I'm gonna be involved

1129
00:47:35,959 --> 00:47:33,749
in his program should we have a drink

1130
00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:35,969
and I bought him a drink and we ended up

1131
00:47:40,579 --> 00:47:38,039
in this kind of great position where

1132
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:40,589
whilst they're out filming for about

1133
00:47:44,959 --> 00:47:42,089
three hours because they didn't come

1134
00:47:46,909 --> 00:47:44,969
back until say APA's 10:00 I had three

1135
00:47:49,909 --> 00:47:46,919
hours in the pub asking every question

1136
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:49,919
another son to him and and it was during

1137
00:47:55,659 --> 00:47:52,859
that process of probing him at the end

1138
00:47:57,889 --> 00:47:55,669
of that meeting I said as anybody ever

1139
00:47:59,509 --> 00:47:57,899
considered writing a film script based

1140
00:48:01,699 --> 00:47:59,519
on your experiences in the whole case

1141
00:48:03,499 --> 00:48:01,709
and he said not people have talked about

1142
00:48:05,419 --> 00:48:03,509
books and things like that with me but

1143
00:48:08,419 --> 00:48:05,429
it's never happened and I said look I

1144
00:48:09,849 --> 00:48:08,429
kind of dabble in screen players I says

1145
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,859
I've never had one made professionally

1146
00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:12,359
into a film I says but you know I think

1147
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:14,369
this is such a good case would you allow

1148
00:48:18,949 --> 00:48:16,109
me to write it and he basically said

1149
00:48:20,959 --> 00:48:18,959
yeah I'll collaborate Tommy with it and

1150
00:48:24,259 --> 00:48:20,969
that's how it started so basically what

1151
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:24,269
I said was okay thanks very much I'm now

1152
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:26,729
gonna go away and research everything I

1153
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,249
can find in the public domain in books

1154
00:48:33,979 --> 00:48:32,339
TV documentaries etc and then come back

1155
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:33,989
to you with a list of questions in a few

1156
00:48:38,449 --> 00:48:36,209
months time and he said okay and that's

1157
00:48:40,249 --> 00:48:38,459
exactly what I did that's absolutely

1158
00:48:43,399 --> 00:48:40,259
fascinating he sounds like the kind of

1159
00:48:45,739 --> 00:48:43,409
guy that I mean he's a no BS kind of guy

1160
00:48:48,769 --> 00:48:45,749
you could tell he you know with his

1161
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:48,779
appearance on the show he's very cut and

1162
00:48:52,109 --> 00:48:49,180
dry

1163
00:48:54,779 --> 00:48:52,119
sticks to the facts he doesn't he's not

1164
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:54,789
a man of wasted words he'd be a really

1165
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,410
good person to write a screenplay with

1166
00:49:02,400 --> 00:48:58,480
because he's so turists you know that's

1167
00:49:04,529 --> 00:49:02,410
the way screenplays need to be I mean I

1168
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:04,539
think people see things that out there

1169
00:49:09,539 --> 00:49:07,900
in him in the sense of they think he

1170
00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:09,549
knows a lot more but I've asked those

1171
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,099
questions and I must lead some difficult

1172
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:14,319
questions as well things that I've been

1173
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,329
puzzled by but he's always come back

1174
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:18,640
he's always come back straight away I

1175
00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:20,920
mean that process I wasn't ringing him

1176
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:23,140
up left right and center it all done by

1177
00:49:27,539 --> 00:49:25,089
email so I've spent four months

1178
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:27,549
researching everything and then drew up

1179
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:29,950
a timeline of my inquiries and I look at

1180
00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:31,450
it through the eyes of a detective

1181
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:33,220
don't forget doing an evidential

1182
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,730
timeline and then said right there's

1183
00:49:40,049 --> 00:49:38,079
this question I want this understand

1184
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:40,059
this I'm sure and and every time I sent

1185
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:41,770
fired off an email all the question he

1186
00:49:45,029 --> 00:49:43,210
would come back literally a few hours

1187
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:45,039
later obviously there's time difference

1188
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:46,990
but if you hours later and I always

1189
00:49:53,549 --> 00:49:50,529
found him very responsive he didn't

1190
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:53,559
appear to be in anywhere Sherwood hiding

1191
00:49:58,289 --> 00:49:55,930
anything like that for me we always have

1192
00:49:58,859 --> 00:49:58,299
had a very good rapport and it continued

1193
00:50:01,769 --> 00:49:58,869
to this day

1194
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:01,779
and basically he answered everything and

1195
00:50:06,329 --> 00:50:04,270
after about a year I came up with the

1196
00:50:07,859 --> 00:50:06,339
first draft of the script and so I sent

1197
00:50:08,819 --> 00:50:07,869
him it and said what do you think he

1198
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:08,829
said no I like it

1199
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:11,170
it's goodies it kind of fills in the

1200
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:13,990
blanks you've told it off with the whole

1201
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:16,539
event not just it he's event and

1202
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:18,700
incorporates in three nights of activity

1203
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:21,400
and that's been an ongoing process but

1204
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:23,470
what you've got to realize is that I was

1205
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:25,990
working detective so when I was in the

1206
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:28,180
job I could on I couldn't do it all the

1207
00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:30,670
time you just don't have the time having

1208
00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:33,069
a life you've got children whatever so

1209
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,589
it was an on and as and when basis so

1210
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:36,880
it's been going on over several years

1211
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,430
and of course my the more I've learned

1212
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:41,920
about the case and the more people are

1213
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:45,010
taught to you slightly change certain

1214
00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:47,170
things and and my writing skills have

1215
00:50:51,539 --> 00:50:48,460
improved as well

1216
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:51,549
etc over a period of time so in a sense

1217
00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:54,730
during the time I was in the police it

1218
00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:59,500
was a step by step gradual focusing and

1219
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:01,480
sharpening up of a script and I would

1220
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:02,980
send it to people within

1221
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:04,900
film industry that would sometimes

1222
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:07,300
approach me you know I'd say look you

1223
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:09,250
know this any screen rat is out there

1224
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:11,470
you know come approach me and I would

1225
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:13,150
send the material to them and eventually

1226
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:15,460
it's got to the stage now in retirement

1227
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:18,070
or close to retirement that I realized

1228
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:20,410
that I was pretty close with the reviews

1229
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:21,520
that I was getting back from

1230
00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:22,990
professional people in film and

1231
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:24,790
television that had read it that was

1232
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,830
pretty close so I've been something that

1233
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:29,200
is pretty much there in terms of picture

1234
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:31,780
Gary Heseltine joining gene and Chris

1235
00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:40,480
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1239
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:52,119
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1253
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1255
00:52:26,849 --> 00:52:24,580
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1256
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1257
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,600
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1258
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1259
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1260
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1263
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1264
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:12,960
in mylar pouches they take up to 70%

1265
00:53:18,050 --> 00:53:15,540
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1266
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:18,060
year shelf-life and huge portions over

1267
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twice the serving size of some

1268
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1272
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1275
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1276
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1277
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1279
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[Applause]

1280
00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:00,200
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1281
00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:04,540
standard of paranormal radio and now

1282
00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:12,849
here's Jane Steinberg Gary Heseltine

1283
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:15,560
joining gene and Chris on the power cast

1284
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:17,750
she's talking about this movie

1285
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:20,570
screenplay he wrote with Colonel Charles

1286
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:22,910
halt it was one of the people involved

1287
00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:25,310
in the Rendlesham encounter is this

1288
00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:26,839
meant to be a documentary or a fiction

1289
00:54:31,329 --> 00:54:27,320
film

1290
00:54:33,010 --> 00:54:31,339
well basically what now is the review

1291
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,020
the professional reviews that have had a

1292
00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:35,839
basically said you have got two things

1293
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:38,030
here you've actually got a caring a

1294
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:41,240
blow-by-blow accurate timeline docudrama

1295
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:43,820
which stands up but what they said was

1296
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:46,130
that you need to change that which is

1297
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,660
kind of like the original version had

1298
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:50,180
you need to change that if you want to

1299
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:52,310
make it a cinema release we suggest that

1300
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:54,230
you break - you've got the docudrama

1301
00:54:58,450 --> 00:54:56,270
version which is total kind of

1302
00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:58,460
blow-by-blow reconstruction well if you

1303
00:55:01,059 --> 00:54:59,780
want a theatrical version you're gonna

1304
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:01,069
have to make it more character-driven

1305
00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:03,740
etcetera etcetera and I think because I

1306
00:55:09,700 --> 00:55:05,960
was so close to the material for a long

1307
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:09,710
time I had difficulty kind of accepting

1308
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,010
what to include from a theatrical cinema

1309
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:15,920
presentation and what I wanted to have

1310
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,609
in a blow-by-blow documentary kind of

1311
00:55:23,410 --> 00:55:21,440
story in the end I got the message I

1312
00:55:24,940 --> 00:55:23,420
then ended up with the theatrical

1313
00:55:28,329 --> 00:55:24,950
version and that's now being

1314
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:28,339
theatrically reviewed by several people

1315
00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:29,630
in the business and they're all saying

1316
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:31,640
it's very good now so it's there are

1317
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:32,329
there abouts

1318
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:33,770
now obviously I'm not saying that's the

1319
00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:35,150
finished product because I don't think

1320
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:37,460
any script ever is no matter who you are

1321
00:55:41,710 --> 00:55:40,310
you know one see a film company gets

1322
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,720
involved they would have their own ideas

1323
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,000
or whatever but essentially it's up to

1324
00:55:50,349 --> 00:55:46,640
the point where it's good enough it's

1325
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:50,359
set out right the layout format etc it's

1326
00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:52,130
good enough and everybody saying it's

1327
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,220
good so I I now it was one of the

1328
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,680
reasons why I decided to retire the

1329
00:56:02,319 --> 00:55:59,119
other reason was that what I felt

1330
00:56:05,319 --> 00:56:02,329
compelled for some reason to do more

1331
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:05,329
active research technology it changed

1332
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:08,089
obviously I think may we'll talk about

1333
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:09,110
this that I'm Lord

1334
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:13,250
in an online magazine which to me will

1335
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,920
have the strongest line-up of

1336
00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:16,880
researchers in the world as far as I can

1337
00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:19,400
see and I've looked at all the printed

1338
00:56:23,830 --> 00:56:21,350
magazine other online magazines they've

1339
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,840
all agreed to do it so it felt to me

1340
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:25,760
like the time was right but what you

1341
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:27,560
have to remember is that when I was in

1342
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:30,050
the police initially when I began my

1343
00:56:36,430 --> 00:56:33,350
research I was allowed to say and do

1344
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:36,440
whatever without any interference but in

1345
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:39,380
the last four years five years of my

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time in the police almost 24 years I was

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under a lot of pressure to the point

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where in 2009 I wrote to the MRD the

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Ministry of British Ministry of Defence

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00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:52,850
when they closed that they suddenly

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00:56:57,850 --> 00:56:55,640
decided to close their UFO reporting

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00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:57,860
facility which had been in existence for

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00:57:01,150 --> 00:56:59,930
over 50 years I thought well what a

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00:57:02,290 --> 00:57:01,160
police force is going to do they're

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00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:02,300
still going to get anywhere between

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00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,790
three hundred and fifty four five

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00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:07,280
hundred sightings a year around all the

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43 national county police forces and I

1359
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:13,330
wrote to them and said look yeah I

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detected with the British Transport

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00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:18,170
Police but X amount of service the MLD

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00:57:23,050 --> 00:57:20,300
of claws the UFO report desk are you

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00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:23,060
aware if not you're gonna have to get

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some kind of contingency plans in place

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00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:27,500
because you still grab sightings but who

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00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:29,360
you gonna send them to would you mind

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00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:32,380
sending them to me because I'm in my

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00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:35,210
spare time I do UFO research I've got

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00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:37,100
this database of police officers so I

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00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:39,140
know of the rules on beard protection

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00:57:44,110 --> 00:57:40,910
things like that could you send the

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information to me and of the 38 forces

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00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:47,690
that I wrote to within a few days 24 of

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00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:49,580
those forces came back said we weren't

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00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:51,590
aware of this at all yes we'll look at

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00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:53,660
it in our strategic planning and within

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00:57:58,270 --> 00:57:56,230
a week or two from that to Forces

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:57:58,280
Suffolk which is where the Rendlesham

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00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:00,890
event coincidentally took place and my

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00:58:05,890 --> 00:58:04,250
own hometown force of homicide said we

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00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:05,900
will appoint you as what's called a spot

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00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:09,170
casting single point of contact and we

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00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:11,960
will pass cases that come to us for you

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00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:13,790
to research in whatever so I thought

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00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:17,720
well great then I then get called into

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00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:20,420
my area commander a superintendent a to

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superintendent

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00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,100
meeting yeah and he says you wrote one

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00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:27,680
of the letters to all the forces I said

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00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:30,220
yes that says he's a private letter to

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achieve possible and making out that

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00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,060
saying it's a private act and he said

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00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,720
well the story is that my chief our new

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00:58:42,910 --> 00:58:40,640
Chief Constable British Transport Police

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00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:42,920
new Chief Constable had got a phone call

1396
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:45,710
from another Chief Constable who can

1397
00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:47,780
ribbed him about who's this UFO guy

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:49,940
you've got and kind of trivialized it

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00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:52,490
was laughing at my chief constable he

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00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,320
took a dim view of that obviously a dim

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00:58:59,500 --> 00:58:56,480
view of the subject and he then

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00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:59,510
instructed my area commander to set

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:01,730
about misconduct a hearing for bringing

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00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:03,770
the force into disrepute well you're

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00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:06,470
getting no no courting a long story

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00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,290
short I was then subject to a misconduct

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00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,900
hearing that took a year to get to the

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00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:13,760
final hearing and at the end of that

1409
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:15,740
final hearing we're job is potentially

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00:59:18,910 --> 00:59:17,000
on the line and you pension and

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00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:18,920
everything at the end of that I was

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00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:21,500
given 12-month written warning okay so

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:23,390
that means if anything happens in the

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00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:25,130
next 12 months we could sack you

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00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:27,619
basically so obviously after that

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00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:30,170
realized that in a sense I was on a

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00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,540
collision course if I continued my work

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00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:35,359
in the vein that I had been doing to the

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00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:37,490
extent that I've been doing it sort of

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:39,500
media wise so I basically kept my head

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:41,930
black law and it made me realise it left

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00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,770
a bitter taste

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00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,680
I still cannot see to this day how I can

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00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:47,359
bring a force into disrepute for a

1425
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:49,880
private letter by just disclosing which

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00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:52,220
force I belong to and that's what led to

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00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:53,780
my being disciplined for bringing the

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00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:55,160
force and distribute I'll never

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00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:57,140
understand that but you cannot beat a

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01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,750
big organisation so you're guilty and

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01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:02,000
that's it 12-month written warning so

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01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:03,890
basically the writing was on the wall

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01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:04,609
for me

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01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:07,609
and I decided then really that as soon

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01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:11,060
as I could financially afford to go then

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01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:13,670
I would leave and that situation arose

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:15,740
as a result of being married getting

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married and I decided that in 2013 I

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will retire and on the 31st of March

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01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:24,560
this year I retired so now I can say or

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:26,150
do whatever I want but that's the story

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01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:30,170
I was just Gary I am really shocked that

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:32,990
they would take your casual private

1444
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:35,450
interest and use that as

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01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:38,990
some sort of rationale for misconduct

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01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:42,320
and spanking you for that I'm really

1447
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:45,980
amazed at that I mean I may be quiet

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01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:48,350
aside you know your commander take you

1449
01:00:51,250 --> 01:00:49,670
aside and say hey look you're being a

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01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:51,260
little too public or something but to

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01:00:58,300 --> 01:00:54,830
actually you know threaten your pension

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:00:58,310
yeah of course 20 years I mean that I am

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01:01:04,210 --> 01:01:01,850
really boy that's right and it's not

1454
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:04,220
right and now I could have understood

1455
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:06,500
about bringing the force into disrepute

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01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:08,990
had I have stood naked chained to a

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01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:12,200
railing outside the 10 Downing Street

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01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,600
and screaming I believed in you and what

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01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:16,160
kind of thing that could have understood

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01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:19,070
that but not through a private letter to

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01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:20,990
achieve constable just giving him a bit

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01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,240
of information basically and asked would

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01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,480
you kindly and now and it's only because

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01:01:31,630 --> 01:01:29,180
I mentioned which force I belong to but

1465
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:31,640
I said to my area commander I said well

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:33,950
that's ridiculous I said if I went into

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01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,050
a bank and they said to open an account

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01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:39,200
what do you do as a job I'd say a police

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01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,150
officer which force you with and with

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01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:43,040
the British Transport Police whatever

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01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:44,510
done wrong what's essentially have I

1472
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:46,310
done wrong in this letter to the chief

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01:01:53,050 --> 01:01:50,690
constable he subscribed letter written

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01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:53,060
warning but not very nice your job was

1475
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:55,700
potentially on the line your careers on

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01:01:58,330 --> 01:01:55,990
the line

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01:02:00,930 --> 01:01:58,340
you've got mortgages and things like

1478
01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:00,940
that so you know it's a kind of a

1479
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:04,220
dangerous step and you can't be a big

1480
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:06,800
organization you certainly if the police

1481
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:08,810
wanted to make it very difficult for you

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01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:10,700
there certainly could well you're

1483
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,870
pointing out something really

1484
01:02:17,590 --> 01:02:14,480
interesting here it's it's official

1485
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:17,600
attitudes towards the subject we have a

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01:02:22,090 --> 01:02:19,970
brand new poster at forum dr. Peric

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:22,100
ascom that asks a really good question

1488
01:02:27,010 --> 01:02:24,890
it says in your experience Kerry how

1489
01:02:29,260 --> 01:02:27,020
does the attitude toward UFOs in the

1490
01:02:32,050 --> 01:02:29,270
British police establishment differ from

1491
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:32,060
its American counterpart if at all and I

1492
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:33,650
think that's a perfect place to ask that

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01:02:36,340 --> 01:02:34,250
question

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01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:36,350
have you found dealing with your

1495
01:02:41,110 --> 01:02:38,000
American counterparts that there's that

1496
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:41,120
still distinct and and I don't know just

1497
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:44,810
this terrible tag on this subject like

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01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:46,930
you found

1499
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:49,960
find is is that police officers in

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01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:52,569
general say the UK ones that if you're

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01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:55,300
in a group of people there needs a bit

1502
01:02:59,849 --> 01:02:57,250
of a joke but privately if your

1503
01:03:01,770 --> 01:02:59,859
one-to-one sat in a police car for a few

1504
01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:01,780
hours with somebody you get talking

1505
01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:03,700
about all manner of things and you get

1506
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:05,500
on to this subject because over a period

1507
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:09,430
of time they began to know of me and and

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01:03:14,579 --> 01:03:12,130
they would say I've seen something now I

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01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:14,589
was in the Air Force and my mentor had

1510
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,020
seen something well I was in the the

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01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:20,079
army and yeah I experienced there so

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one-to-one when it's quiet nobody else

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around people would start selling new

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UFO stories this is not uncommon Goering

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is because of this ridicule factor

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that's been attached to the subject over

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the last 60 years certainly since

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I've got the pension managed to escape

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01:08:30,809 --> 01:08:28,660
with my pension as it were I can

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01:08:32,849 --> 01:08:30,819
honestly say that in that since the time

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01:08:34,530 --> 01:08:32,859
I retired I've obviously been very busy

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01:08:36,930 --> 01:08:34,540
on a number of fronts but I haven't

1615
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,940
missed the job at all because for me it

1616
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:39,040
was the right time to go on let's get a

1617
01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:41,650
sense of your database now now are these

1618
01:08:47,099 --> 01:08:44,739
primarily in British reports from

1619
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:47,109
British law enforcement or have you do

1620
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:49,299
you have a percentage of American cases

1621
01:08:53,459 --> 01:08:51,370
French cases you give us kind of a

1622
01:08:55,919 --> 01:08:53,469
breakdown out of all these hundreds of

1623
01:08:58,829 --> 01:08:55,929
cases well where do you assign them

1624
01:09:00,570 --> 01:08:58,839
right basically the proof falls dead

1625
01:09:02,959 --> 01:09:00,580
best proof or standing for police

1626
01:09:06,169 --> 01:09:02,969
reporting UFO sightings that acronym

1627
01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:06,179
basically proof force cases for only

1628
01:09:10,590 --> 01:09:08,679
British police officers but there are

1629
01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:10,600
two sections to which you can get on the

1630
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:13,029
database one you can have an on-duty

1631
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,250
sighting and then two you can have an

1632
01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:16,960
off-duty sighting because I don't make

1633
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:19,420
any distinction really between the two

1634
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:22,089
in the sense of that if you're trained

1635
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:25,630
to use your professional reporting using

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01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:28,480
your eyes ears etc you senses to record

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01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:31,540
in a chronological way for a court of

1638
01:09:33,599 --> 01:09:32,020
law

1639
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:33,609
then you're still going to do that if

1640
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:35,650
you have an off-duty sighting so for me

1641
01:09:39,599 --> 01:09:37,810
it's the same pair of eyes it's the same

1642
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:39,609
process if you were going to write it

1643
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:42,640
off so the majority of cases are on duty

1644
01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:46,690
but there are perhaps I don't know 15

1645
01:09:51,059 --> 01:09:49,089
percent of the cases that are off duty

1646
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,069
which is still relevant to me because

1647
01:09:56,900 --> 01:09:53,679
more stores corroborated by their wives

1648
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:56,910
partners etc children if we look at the

1649
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:01,600
cases in total after what is now 11

1650
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:05,110
years of research and now have over 425

1651
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,980
cases all british involved in all the

1652
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:10,480
940 british police officers which i

1653
01:10:14,299 --> 01:10:12,850
think is a lot of officers but in but

1654
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:14,309
untrusting lee the more

1655
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:16,590
I've become well-known within the field

1656
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:18,690
and the more those numbers go up the

1657
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:21,090
more the national media shy away from me

1658
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,070
when I first launched there was big

1659
01:10:26,959 --> 01:10:24,960
interest or police officers die in debt

1660
01:10:29,540 --> 01:10:26,969
with a few national articles here in

1661
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:29,550
their series pieces but as time has gone

1662
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:32,010
on and the numbers go up paradoxically

1663
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:34,679
they're interesting me reduces which is

1664
01:10:38,569 --> 01:10:35,820
kind of strange because you'd have

1665
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,579
thought 940 British police officers ease

1666
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:40,320
a lot and it would make some kind of a

1667
01:10:43,970 --> 01:10:42,090
headline or a little story here and

1668
01:10:46,189 --> 01:10:43,980
there but in the Nationals they won't go

1669
01:10:47,899 --> 01:10:46,199
near me now or if they do it's three or

1670
01:10:51,649 --> 01:10:47,909
four lines and that's it which is a bit

1671
01:10:54,589 --> 01:10:51,659
bizarre and kind of adds to the or the

1672
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:54,599
the more credible evidence you assemble

1673
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,150
the less the media at national level

1674
01:11:01,549 --> 01:10:59,280
wants to talk to you so I kind of think

1675
01:11:04,069 --> 01:11:01,559
that bears are out of the case is what

1676
01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:04,079
I'm not a big lover of statistics

1677
01:11:07,459 --> 01:11:05,670
because I've learnt over the years in

1678
01:11:10,549 --> 01:11:07,469
the police and some people would say I

1679
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:10,559
shouldn't say this but police like

1680
01:11:14,779 --> 01:11:12,510
anybody else will manipulate statistics

1681
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:14,789
for their own ends and they've I've seen

1682
01:11:18,919 --> 01:11:16,530
them do it I actually worked in the

1683
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:18,929
department many years ago 20 years ago

1684
01:11:24,049 --> 01:11:21,329
early on in my service a newly created

1685
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,059
prime recording Department where they

1686
01:11:28,339 --> 01:11:25,980
would say well we're having too many of

1687
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,349
crimes of that site will have a similar

1688
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:30,960
crime classifications that will call in

1689
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,730
them as well so so basically

1690
01:11:37,609 --> 01:11:34,739
manipulating the figures and it's always

1691
01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:37,619
stayed with me I think statistics can be

1692
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:39,630
manipulated in anywhere - sure whatever

1693
01:11:42,589 --> 01:11:40,409
you want

1694
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:42,599
it's like clever editing of a TV program

1695
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:45,210
I'm not a big lover but the statistical

1696
01:11:49,220 --> 01:11:47,369
work that I have done on the database

1697
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:49,230
the last time I really had an in-depth

1698
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:52,170
look at this stats was about three years

1699
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,840
ago and since then I kind of like just

1700
01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:56,880
kept it your mental profile announcer

1701
01:12:02,919 --> 01:11:59,010
each year of the four hundred and twenty

1702
01:12:06,529 --> 01:12:02,929
five cases seventy percent approximately

1703
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:06,539
multiple officer witness cases seventy

1704
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:08,250
percent so that means of four hundred

1705
01:12:13,879 --> 01:12:10,980
twenty five cases or the three hundred

1706
01:12:16,580 --> 01:12:13,889
are multiple officer cases now that's a

1707
01:12:19,939 --> 01:12:16,590
lot I mean there is a lot and again he

1708
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:19,949
strikes at the skeptic will stay well

1709
01:12:23,209 --> 01:12:21,449
it's just the police officer at 3:00 in

1710
01:12:25,339 --> 01:12:23,219
the morning he's tired he's

1711
01:12:27,380 --> 01:12:25,349
misinterpreting something I think the

1712
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:27,390
odds are when it's 70% of

1713
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,670
two or more and in some cases I've got

1714
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,440
five six seven eight

1715
01:12:37,450 --> 01:12:35,040
in one case 24 officers watching objects

1716
01:12:39,620 --> 01:12:37,460
traveling over six counties on the in

1717
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:39,630
1993 which is the cost per incident

1718
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:40,890
which is a well-known British case

1719
01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:43,050
that's a lot of officers to get it wrong

1720
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:45,660
you know what before we go on would you

1721
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:47,790
briefly summarize that particular case

1722
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,590
you referred to because now our

1723
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:51,420
listeners follow this stuff that

1724
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,370
carefully in the UK it's called the cost

1725
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:55,440
but incident basically we're talking

1726
01:13:02,240 --> 01:12:58,260
about the nights of the 30th into the

1727
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:02,250
31st of March 1993 and effectively there

1728
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:05,090
are a whole number of civilians

1729
01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:08,190
reporting at least one possibly two

1730
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:11,100
lights that were either joined or it was

1731
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:13,620
one object moving across the sky over

1732
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:16,530
six counties and basically is that is it

1733
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:19,170
crossed over the six regions these large

1734
01:13:24,710 --> 01:13:22,170
areas of cancers of England police

1735
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:24,720
officers were catching sight of it as

1736
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:26,970
time went by so in a sense you end up

1737
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,290
with the situation is it's that's

1738
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:31,440
effectively towards the Midlands and

1739
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:34,530
then drifts to the southwest going out

1740
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:37,980
towards Bristol and Wales and that in

1741
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:39,690
that kind of area so it's travelling

1742
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:41,610
over several counties and police

1743
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,370
officers must be getting tipped off that

1744
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:46,080
there's objects approaching in their

1745
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:48,090
scene from lots of different vantage

1746
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:51,870
points police officers to one's threes

1747
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,060
in groups from different geographical

1748
01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:56,400
positions watching this and it led to a

1749
01:14:01,460 --> 01:13:59,550
big spare of calls coincidentally

1750
01:14:03,950 --> 01:14:01,470
through to Nick poor who's obviously

1751
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:03,960
known for his time at the mo Davis which

1752
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:06,600
was whilst he was at the reporting desk

1753
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:09,150
because he was there between 91 and 94

1754
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:10,860
so he ended up one morning with all

1755
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:12,780
these calls from police officers say

1756
01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:14,760
we've seen these strange objects he did

1757
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:17,550
some research on it and was able to

1758
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:20,490
confirm to the satisfaction of himself

1759
01:14:25,340 --> 01:14:23,670
that in the rare instance the British

1760
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,350
government admitted that there was an

1761
01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:28,560
unknown aerial object traveling over the

1762
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,150
skies of Britain that hasn't ever been

1763
01:14:34,940 --> 01:14:32,940
explained which for the MRD is extremely

1764
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,950
rare but that's well done Nick on that

1765
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:37,440
yeah I do faintly can't remember that

1766
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:39,690
case I remember it did it did make some

1767
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:40,260
headline

1768
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:42,600
and it is one of the best documented

1769
01:14:47,710 --> 01:14:45,480
cases I think in recent past are again

1770
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,720
now you mentioned that you're only

1771
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,280
primarily you're dealing with British

1772
01:14:55,190 --> 01:14:52,560
law enforcement have you ever thought of

1773
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,200
expanding this there are a number of

1774
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,320
very very good cases involving American

1775
01:15:02,330 --> 01:15:00,239
law enforcement officials have you ever

1776
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:02,340
thought of maybe slowly starting to

1777
01:15:10,340 --> 01:15:08,730
collate outside of the UK cases yes yes

1778
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:10,350
I could collect them but it won't be the

1779
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,020
same as somebody in the United States it

1780
01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:15,000
was a police officer ideally or a

1781
01:15:20,990 --> 01:15:18,270
retired police officer who would be able

1782
01:15:23,150 --> 01:15:21,000
to talk to his American counterparts in

1783
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:23,160
a way better than I would because yes

1784
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:25,290
there's a certain kinship and that's why

1785
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:28,050
I started with the proof of police

1786
01:15:32,210 --> 01:15:30,180
database because I was a serving

1787
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:32,220
detective so when they rang me up they'd

1788
01:15:35,690 --> 01:15:33,570
say oh you're never gonna believe me

1789
01:15:37,190 --> 01:15:35,700
blah blah blah there were a bit shy at

1790
01:15:39,170 --> 01:15:37,200
first but we could talk about police

1791
01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:39,180
things they soon realized that I was the

1792
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:41,430
genuine article they relaxed and then

1793
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:42,840
they would tell me the story to a

1794
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:45,000
certain extent I think you need that in

1795
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:47,160
whichever country you can have a similar

1796
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:49,710
police database an army database or a

1797
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:51,540
pilot's database you need to have a

1798
01:15:55,460 --> 01:15:54,030
certain level level of kinship to get

1799
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,470
them to open up you need to have that

1800
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,800
familiarity with protocols work so in

1801
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,960
that sense I think he's better to be

1802
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:03,360
done by somebody of the country where

1803
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,310
the setting up the database right I've

1804
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:07,860
had American officers contact me but

1805
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:09,930
nothing on any really official level

1806
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:11,370
that would just tell me about the two

1807
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:14,010
cases I was already aware of many of the

1808
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:15,960
American cases and their outstanding

1809
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,790
then I would say in America given the

1810
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:19,920
size of the country if somebody did what

1811
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:23,180
I have done you would quickly over a

1812
01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:25,980
5-10 years you'd end up with thousands

1813
01:16:31,190 --> 01:16:27,900
of cases because of pure size and

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[Music]

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hi the to make Pope pure listening to

1921
01:21:01,240 --> 01:20:59,240
the Paragon Gary Heseltine joining Jian

1922
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:01,250
and Chris he's a retired police officer

1923
01:21:07,570 --> 01:21:04,490
set up a database to collect sightings

1924
01:21:09,010 --> 01:21:07,580
from his fellow officers in the UK and

1925
01:21:11,740 --> 01:21:09,020
we were talking just very briefly in our

1926
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:11,750
previous segment about whether they can

1927
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:14,810
extend the joy to the US have you ever

1928
01:21:18,490 --> 01:21:16,940
thought Gary very briefly before we get

1929
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:18,500
back to listen to questions from Chris

1930
01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:22,070
maybe working with researchers in other

1931
01:21:28,930 --> 01:21:25,430
countries to build a global database of

1932
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,940
such reports yeah no I welcome that but

1933
01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:31,040
what you've got to realize is that the

1934
01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:34,070
in retirement I've set up to do two

1935
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:36,470
things specifically and there is only so

1936
01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:38,570
many hours in the day as an aside to

1937
01:21:43,450 --> 01:21:41,240
that I then want to promote actively the

1938
01:21:45,070 --> 01:21:43,460
Remagen script which is called three

1939
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:45,080
nights in December and it's basically

1940
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:47,570
telling the time frame story of the

1941
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:50,150
three nights of consecutive activity

1942
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:52,610
between the morning of the 26th through

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01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:55,490
to the morning of the 28th so that's

1944
01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:57,290
three nights of activity so that's what

1945
01:22:00,820 --> 01:21:58,730
it's called three nights in December but

1946
01:22:04,690 --> 01:22:00,830
the two principal reasons I retired were

1947
01:22:07,870 --> 01:22:04,700
warned to launch and set up uf for truth

1948
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:07,880
magazine which will either by monthly

1949
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:10,910
magazine which will the first issue will

1950
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:12,710
be available on the 25th of June the

1951
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,090
websites already up and running so

1952
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:15,920
anybody can never look can subscribe to

1953
01:22:21,310 --> 01:22:18,560
it blah blah blah but the other thing

1954
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:21,320
which people aren't aware of is that

1955
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:24,470
over my time during my almost 24 years

1956
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:27,650
of service in the police I saw two

1957
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:29,510
colleagues of mine police fellow

1958
01:22:34,270 --> 01:22:32,420
officers commit suicide not saw them as

1959
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:34,280
in physically commit suicide but they

1960
01:22:39,370 --> 01:22:37,370
committed suicides whilst they were in

1961
01:22:41,770 --> 01:22:39,380
the job whilst I was in the job and

1962
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:41,780
there were two friends of mine I've seen

1963
01:22:46,690 --> 01:22:44,090
lots of police officers dealing with

1964
01:22:48,850 --> 01:22:46,700
chronic stress being in denial burnout

1965
01:22:51,340 --> 01:22:48,860
quitting the job rather than admit

1966
01:22:53,230 --> 01:22:51,350
they've got a problem driven to the

1967
01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:53,240
brink of suicide been off sick for a

1968
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:56,180
long period of time and so one of the

1969
01:23:00,750 --> 01:22:57,890
things that I said I would do in

1970
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:00,760
retirement is settle pay an unofficial

1971
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,550
national website for UK police officers

1972
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:06,400
and stress and that I did first in

1973
01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:08,680
retirement I did that first and that's

1974
01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:11,950
called police pressure Corps dot UK and

1975
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:15,700
that's a resource center with coping

1976
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:18,310
strategies help lines etc etcetera

1977
01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:21,850
information stress statistics anything I

1978
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:24,040
can find basically on stress in the

1979
01:23:28,170 --> 01:23:26,470
police so that's important to me so

1980
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:28,180
that's now up and running so that's the

1981
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,550
separate entity and then of course I've

1982
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:32,800
then started working on launching the

1983
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:35,020
magazine so the two very distinct things

1984
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:38,170
what I think equally worthy with regards

1985
01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:41,470
to the magazine you know the list of

1986
01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:45,100
columnist sees is I think very strong

1987
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:47,350
you know you've got the lights of a jade

1988
01:23:51,810 --> 01:23:50,440
you've ad from Brazil is one of probably

1989
01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:51,820
in my opinion one of the top five

1990
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:52,990
researchers in the world

1991
01:24:00,510 --> 01:23:56,320
you've got revert or / Nazi from Italy

1992
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:00,520
you've got Bill chakra from Australia

1993
01:24:05,730 --> 01:24:03,130
you've got Susan Hansen from New Zealand

1994
01:24:07,890 --> 01:24:05,740
you've got peanuts losers I'm coming

1995
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:07,900
researcher from Denmark XOR politics

1996
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:10,210
things like that mary rod well I'm sure

1997
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,550
you have heard of people like that plus

1998
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:15,520
a host of UK researchers but as well as

1999
01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:17,770
that it's the guest columnist Peter

2000
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:19,870
Robbins Peter Robbins obviously well

2001
01:24:24,630 --> 01:24:21,790
known for left Eastgate working with

2002
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:24,640
Larry Warren on that and Rendlesham he's

2003
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:28,000
also a regular columnist but what you've

2004
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,650
also got is the guest columnist who've

2005
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:32,320
agreed to take part in future issues and

2006
01:24:36,420 --> 01:24:34,720
that's you're looking at Robert Salas

2007
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:36,430
obviously with the Malstrom missiles

2008
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,160
recently gave evidence the citizens

2009
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:40,480
hearings which we will probably talk

2010
01:24:44,970 --> 01:24:42,970
about at some point which I think were

2011
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:44,980
very important although some people

2012
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,260
might argue that Steve Bassett Richard

2013
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:49,360
Dahl and grant Cameron Andrew Johnson

2014
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:51,400
the UK lloyd-pack these kind of people

2015
01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:52,480
have all said that they will contribute

2016
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:54,340
in the future so it's a very strong

2017
01:24:57,900 --> 01:24:55,210
line-up

2018
01:25:00,030 --> 01:24:57,910
as far as I can see of what I would call

2019
01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:00,040
you know very serious researchers with

2020
01:25:04,110 --> 01:25:02,500
the long track records of stuff that I

2021
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:04,120
think he's evidential you know you raise

2022
01:25:08,490 --> 01:25:05,890
one issue there and I wanted to bring it

2023
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:08,500
up the Citizen hearing on disclosure now

2024
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:10,660
our own Chris O'Brien was there working

2025
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:13,150
in as a videographer so we had kind of

2026
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:14,590
an on to scene discussion

2027
01:25:19,170 --> 01:25:16,570
and the concerns voiced by people like

2028
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:19,180
Leslie Kane and Robert Hastings and

2029
01:25:23,940 --> 01:25:21,550
others is the fact that yeah you had a

2030
01:25:25,670 --> 01:25:23,950
large number of speakers with a lot of

2031
01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:25,680
very important things to say

2032
01:25:30,690 --> 01:25:27,940
well-documented cases and then you had a

2033
01:25:33,450 --> 01:25:30,700
few rabble rousers in the group who had

2034
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:33,460
less well documented things if you look

2035
01:25:36,990 --> 01:25:35,350
at the press coverage in the USA I don't

2036
01:25:38,490 --> 01:25:37,000
know whether you have seen it or not and

2037
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:38,500
I haven't seen what might have happened

2038
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:41,130
in your country you'd see that the press

2039
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:45,040
seized on the less shall we say

2040
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:47,590
scientific claims to the exclusion of

2041
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:49,300
everything else and this is one of the

2042
01:25:53,670 --> 01:25:52,150
problems that always happens so the

2043
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,680
question of course in the argument being

2044
01:25:59,130 --> 01:25:55,600
well if we're going to do things that

2045
01:26:01,500 --> 01:25:59,140
way maybe these speakers should be left

2046
01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:01,510
out be a little bit more politically

2047
01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:02,920
correct because you want to get

2048
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:05,560
scientists to look into this phenomenon

2049
01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:07,900
and not find excuses more and more

2050
01:26:13,890 --> 01:26:11,560
excuses to basically ignore it no no I

2051
01:26:16,410 --> 01:26:13,900
would agree with you because I always go

2052
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,420
from the evidential point of view which

2053
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:18,400
is why I wonder about Stephen Bassett

2054
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:20,050
because he doesn't seem to care about

2055
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:21,700
evidence we've had on the show several

2056
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:24,010
times and he doesn't care about vetting

2057
01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:25,510
guests because he's pretty much admitted

2058
01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:29,710
that well he's a complicated character

2059
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:32,980
in the sense of when I first met him in

2060
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,250
Laughlin 2010 he walked into room as a

2061
01:26:41,820 --> 01:26:38,320
feel and it and he came across to me has

2062
01:26:45,630 --> 01:26:41,830
been very arrogant then in a strange

2063
01:26:48,060 --> 01:26:45,640
kind of quirk a few months later he well

2064
01:26:51,740 --> 01:26:48,070
that was the February of 2010 in the May

2065
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:51,750
of 2010 he invited me to speak at his

2066
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:54,430
conference in in the National Press Club

2067
01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:56,710
coincidentally and numbered on to me I I

2068
01:27:02,820 --> 01:26:59,890
was to receive the disclosure of Ward

2069
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:02,830
for 2010 I had no idea honestly no idea

2070
01:27:08,130 --> 01:27:04,390
that that was happening so I went to

2071
01:27:10,770 --> 01:27:08,140
Washington and suddenly I get this award

2072
01:27:14,460 --> 01:27:10,780
and then he does something that's kind

2073
01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:14,470
of like an alter ego he he did like a

2074
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:17,320
stand-up routine at the Saturday evening

2075
01:27:21,420 --> 01:27:20,050
awards kind of night which was

2076
01:27:23,850 --> 01:27:21,430
absolutely hilarious and I saw a

2077
01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:23,860
completely different side of him and I

2078
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,150
think he's kind of an

2079
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:28,000
a manic character but I would have to

2080
01:27:31,950 --> 01:27:30,220
say that my opinion haven't changed

2081
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:31,960
quite a lot then because I saw a

2082
01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:34,840
different side a fun side to him when

2083
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:36,760
you see him in this subject he's very

2084
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,430
very serious but I think he's a

2085
01:27:43,230 --> 01:27:42,400
brilliant speaker regardless of yes

2086
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:43,240
you're right

2087
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:44,860
perhaps he should have vetted people

2088
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:47,260
more I entirely agree with that but I

2089
01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:50,470
would still say on the balance of the

2090
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:52,840
people that were there the vast majority

2091
01:27:57,390 --> 01:27:55,090
of people there were well respected

2092
01:27:58,770 --> 01:27:57,400
researchers with excellent track records

2093
01:28:01,080 --> 01:27:58,780
you know when you're talking about

2094
01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:01,090
pilots there's nowhere to go

2095
01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:02,830
they're either lying or they're telling

2096
01:28:07,230 --> 01:28:04,180
the truth when you're talking about

2097
01:28:09,450 --> 01:28:07,240
people like Robert Salas in the missile

2098
01:28:11,790 --> 01:28:09,460
incidents shooting down Newt there's no

2099
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:11,800
way to go or that guy's straight up so

2100
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:14,410
the quality of some of the witnesses and

2101
01:28:18,180 --> 01:28:16,270
I would say the majority of them Roberto

2102
01:28:21,570 --> 01:28:18,190
Panetta was their age age of RAD

2103
01:28:24,210 --> 01:28:21,580
absolutely incredible track records with

2104
01:28:25,470 --> 01:28:24,220
totally impeccable records you know so

2105
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:25,480
there were for me there were a lot of

2106
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,210
very high caliber people there yes I

2107
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:32,080
think with hindsight he will have

2108
01:28:40,410 --> 01:28:35,920
learned some things but he's the I think

2109
01:28:43,620 --> 01:28:40,420
he's remit was to try to just get us to

2110
01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:43,630
have what we could only do in the public

2111
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:45,580
domain he's a mock congressional hearing

2112
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,490
or as near to it and I was there for

2113
01:28:54,450 --> 01:28:51,040
virtually all of the sessions and I can

2114
01:28:56,700 --> 01:28:54,460
stay as a police officer the the setup

2115
01:28:59,370 --> 01:28:56,710
in the press club with the six

2116
01:29:01,290 --> 01:28:59,380
politicians this the former senator this

2117
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:01,300
the five former congressmen and women

2118
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:05,230
the table where the speakers were given

2119
01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:08,350
testimonials the or that was taken it

2120
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:11,800
was done very professionally and I would

2121
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:14,050
say it was very akin to being in a court

2122
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:16,000
of law or what would probably be a

2123
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:18,190
proper congressional hearing except for

2124
01:29:21,930 --> 01:29:20,110
the fact that there was occasional

2125
01:29:23,940 --> 01:29:21,940
bursts of clapping and who would man

2126
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,950
Haron with something that was said

2127
01:29:28,290 --> 01:29:25,840
popular which wouldn't happen in a full

2128
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:28,300
proper congressional hearing but believe

2129
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:30,130
me it was done very solemnly and the

2130
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:31,810
people gave their evidence in a

2131
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:34,150
courtroom type manner and so I would

2132
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:36,130
have to take my hat off to Steve Bassett

2133
01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:37,090
for

2134
01:29:40,979 --> 01:29:39,400
getting all together I think I think he

2135
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:40,989
would probably been a nightmare to live

2136
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:42,610
with because he's that kind of manic

2137
01:29:46,859 --> 01:29:44,530
character but I'd have to take my hat

2138
01:29:48,899 --> 01:29:46,869
off to him and say I think he was a

2139
01:29:50,879 --> 01:29:48,909
brilliant event before we do our break

2140
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:50,889
which we will in a moment I just hope

2141
01:29:55,050 --> 01:29:53,440
that your change impression of Steve

2142
01:30:00,060 --> 01:29:55,060
Bassett is not because you got an award

2143
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:02,370
okay just mentioning that I think you

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understand our concerns because the

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least common denominator and the talking

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points and the sound bites at what's the

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press is going to seize on which is why

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I understand Leslie Kane's point of view

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you've got to vet your guests you have

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to make sure that every last one of them

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toxic pharmaceutical drugs talk about

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being dependent on drug companies to our

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own destruction no less this is clearly

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a deadly recipe Aquatics message is

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resonating with an increasing number of

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Americans who are waking up to all the

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government and Big Pharma manipulation

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of our health and health care system I

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like what doc Wallach is saying and

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doing to enlighten people about health

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this tireless crusader spread his

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message visit bright side bend calm and

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listen to dr. Wallach deadly recipe

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lectures it makes a lot of sense and I

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invite you to join our bright side Ben

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team go to bright side then calm that's

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wwx I've been calm this is Leslie Cain

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and I'm with the Coalition for freedom

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of information and you are listening to

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the podcast with Gina and Chris on the

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01:35:06,910 --> 01:35:04,220
power cast we have UFO researcher former

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01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:06,920
police officer Gary Heseltine he's got

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this database of police reports and a

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little bit later will tell you how to

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get his new magazine we'll talk about

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that but right now Chris you've got

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01:35:20,710 --> 01:35:17,210
loads of questions from our audience

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01:35:22,930 --> 01:35:20,720
let's have a few more I do and you know

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01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:22,940
I'm sitting here fascinated listening to

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01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:27,050
Gary pretty much voice my exact opinion

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01:35:33,340 --> 01:35:29,510
about the hearings I was very surprised

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01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:33,350
and pleasantly so that the hearings were

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01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:35,450
able to maintain this level of gravitas

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01:35:40,660 --> 01:35:37,910
that you'd normally don't associate with

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01:35:44,460 --> 01:35:40,670
this particular subject unfortunately

2277
01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:44,470
there were a number of questionable

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01:35:53,710 --> 01:35:48,380
submitters of testimony I won't get into

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01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:53,720
any names but I will Steven Greer Linda

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01:35:59,710 --> 01:35:56,960
Moulton Howe is that a good start that's

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01:36:03,670 --> 01:35:59,720
pretty good start but the Honorable Paul

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01:36:08,410 --> 01:36:03,680
Hellyer's closing statement quoting ET

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01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:08,420
verbatim dialogue from the book of a

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01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:10,770
questionable abductee

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01:36:17,330 --> 01:36:14,460
and telling the Congress people what the

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01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:17,340
aliens concerns are for humanity was not

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01:36:24,230 --> 01:36:21,090
the way to sum up the entire proceedings

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:24,240
and I don't know about you Gary but I

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01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:26,250
just felt that that just took all the

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01:36:34,970 --> 01:36:29,610
air out of any sort of gravitas balloon

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01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,980
I agree entirely with that it wasn't in

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01:36:39,130 --> 01:36:36,960
my opinion for him to start core in

2293
01:36:43,190 --> 01:36:39,140
questionable things that you can't

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01:36:45,860 --> 01:36:43,200
ordinarily prove easily for me it was

2295
01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:45,870
all about it was a week to present some

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01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:48,300
of our best evidence from the pilots the

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01:36:51,710 --> 01:36:50,280
military people etcetera etcetera and

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01:36:54,170 --> 01:36:51,720
that's really what he should have all

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01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:54,180
been about I don't think it was really

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01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,610
for anybody to start speculating about

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01:37:00,620 --> 01:36:58,260
where they're from what they're doing

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01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,630
because I've always took it from the

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01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:02,400
point of the common sense person in the

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01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:04,800
street that's the kind of person I want

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01:37:08,530 --> 01:37:06,810
to reach and if you talk about alien

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01:37:10,970 --> 01:37:08,540
abductions which I do believe are real

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01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:10,980
but if you've just said that to nod

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01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:12,840
remember the public who has no idea of

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01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:14,550
the subject they will laugh at you and

2310
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,280
walk away it'll be the best way to

2311
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:19,920
engage the ordinary person is to talk

2312
01:37:24,230 --> 01:37:22,170
about pilots to talk about rare operas

2313
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,240
so that police officers people they can

2314
01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:26,400
identify with to bring them into the

2315
01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:28,590
subject to open up their minds to what's

2316
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:30,660
involved in this very complex subject

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01:37:37,220 --> 01:37:34,260
you know I only believe that you know

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01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:37,230
Steve Steve Bassett would rather he

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01:37:41,630 --> 01:37:38,730
didn't do that but you'd better ask

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01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:41,640
Steve about that but the thing is the

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01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:43,110
bottom line is it's still an amazing

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01:37:48,530 --> 01:37:46,170
thing because Paul Hellyer was for the

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01:37:50,930 --> 01:37:48,540
Defense Minister of Canada and I think

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01:37:54,220 --> 01:37:50,940
at one point Deputy Prime Minister so

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01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:54,230
even in this kind of strange kind of way

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01:37:59,300 --> 01:37:56,850
he got away with it because of the

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01:38:01,640 --> 01:37:59,310
grammar to the rabbit us of his former

2328
01:38:04,010 --> 01:38:01,650
political background you know this how

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01:38:06,260 --> 01:38:04,020
many people of deputy prime minister of

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01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,270
a country like you know big country like

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01:38:10,460 --> 01:38:07,920
Canada will actually say anything about

2332
01:38:14,060 --> 01:38:10,470
UFOs it may be it's questionable what he

2333
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:14,070
said but he's belief in et it's very

2334
01:38:18,140 --> 01:38:15,810
rare for a senior politician right now

2335
01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:18,150
to speak about it so I think that's in a

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01:38:22,350 --> 01:38:20,380
sense why he was there at the end

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01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:22,360
yeah I don't think Steve knew what he

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01:38:26,490 --> 01:38:24,280
was gonna come out with and I think he

2339
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:26,500
probably thinks he rather he didn't come

2340
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:27,970
out with what he came out with because I

2341
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:30,370
agree we shouldn't be really speculating

2342
01:38:35,490 --> 01:38:32,170
on things unless we've got a really

2343
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:35,500
evidential basis well like you stated

2344
01:38:40,530 --> 01:38:37,690
you know almost as a fact that they're

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01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:40,540
wet five to seven different et races

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01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:42,130
that are interacting and visiting earth

2347
01:38:48,510 --> 01:38:45,430
and I mean just really out there

2348
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:48,520
unfounded stuff which I really was i I

2349
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:51,520
joked on the on this show that I was

2350
01:38:55,550 --> 01:38:53,050
trying to tickle my nose so I could come

2351
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:55,560
up with one of those fake sneezes that

2352
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,400
featured the BS word but I really it

2353
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:02,560
took a lot for me not to not to just go

2354
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:05,440
off and and just start you do something

2355
01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:08,650
to embarrass myself I think a lot of

2356
01:39:12,330 --> 01:39:10,450
people were surprised you came out with

2357
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:12,340
those comments but I think because of

2358
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:15,130
his political background the can of

2359
01:39:19,970 --> 01:39:16,630
thought he had remit to say whatever he

2360
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:19,980
wanted but now altogether I would say

2361
01:39:24,570 --> 01:39:22,420
and then the proof in the pudding will

2362
01:39:27,570 --> 01:39:24,580
be is that on the citizen hearings I

2363
01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:27,580
think it was amazing event overall there

2364
01:39:32,460 --> 01:39:29,560
were far more pluses the negatives from

2365
01:39:35,250 --> 01:39:32,470
yes I agree absolutely and and whether

2366
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:35,260
it's this week next week next year after

2367
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:38,170
I'm dead sooner or later there will be

2368
01:39:41,700 --> 01:39:39,520
some kind of a breakthrough on this

2369
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:41,710
subject whether you call it disclosure

2370
01:39:45,630 --> 01:39:43,210
or whatever but there will be an

2371
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:45,640
exception the ete is there as and when

2372
01:39:50,670 --> 01:39:48,130
that happens I think it will all come

2373
01:39:52,980 --> 01:39:50,680
back to those citizen hearings has been

2374
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:52,990
one of the first king collective

2375
01:39:58,830 --> 01:39:56,320
political points in history where people

2376
01:40:01,200 --> 01:39:58,840
try to do simply politically because to

2377
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,210
me that was a political event it was not

2378
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:03,280
a UFO conference it was a political

2379
01:40:08,730 --> 01:40:06,370
event and we have correctly sized UFOs

2380
01:40:11,070 --> 01:40:08,740
to make an impression on the world yeah

2381
01:40:13,230 --> 01:40:11,080
I do agree and I think that you know

2382
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,240
it's baby steps forward a couple steps

2383
01:40:18,330 --> 01:40:15,760
back maybe steps forward and I do think

2384
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:18,340
it was important and it did it did

2385
01:40:20,970 --> 01:40:20,530
genuine gender some some good coverage

2386
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:20,980
out there

2387
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:22,690
the New York Times being the most

2388
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:26,230
notable that that was a hug I read the

2389
01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:28,090
article as it was being posted that was

2390
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:29,200
kind of that was exciting

2391
01:40:33,310 --> 01:40:31,210
that was exciting for you because you

2392
01:40:35,260 --> 01:40:33,320
know the American audience for me I read

2393
01:40:38,410 --> 01:40:35,270
articles somebody showed me on the phone

2394
01:40:41,470 --> 01:40:38,420
and it was I would cluster on a scale of

2395
01:40:43,149 --> 01:40:41,480
1 to 10 in terms of UFOs it was probably

2396
01:40:44,919 --> 01:40:43,159
a 7 now I know it was important because

2397
01:40:46,839 --> 01:40:44,929
it was in the New York Times but doesn't

2398
01:40:49,660 --> 01:40:46,849
usually say anything but he wasn't great

2399
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:49,670
shakes but because of its naughty and

2400
01:40:53,379 --> 01:40:51,500
the passive criticizing of the subject

2401
01:40:55,689 --> 01:40:53,389
it was fairly important what do you want

2402
01:40:57,790 --> 01:40:55,699
a great article but it was a slight step

2403
01:41:00,160 --> 01:40:57,800
forward that's I think what it was but

2404
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:00,170
what I would say was that you know in

2405
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:01,730
the course of the week what impressed me

2406
01:41:05,530 --> 01:41:03,650
and that for me there was a Eureka

2407
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:05,540
moment and I think you were there too

2408
01:41:10,540 --> 01:41:07,730
probably witnessed this was like just on

2409
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:10,550
the Monday the first day the hearings at

2410
01:41:15,609 --> 01:41:12,590
the end of it when the summing up my

2411
01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:15,619
former congresswoman carolyn Kilpatrick

2412
01:41:19,540 --> 01:41:17,960
when she wasn't doing the swimming up at

2413
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,550
the end of the first day people give him

2414
01:41:23,410 --> 01:41:21,679
testimony there was a war like a Eureka

2415
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:23,420
moment because she said look I'm bowled

2416
01:41:29,260 --> 01:41:26,090
over by the testing of the quality tests

2417
01:41:31,419 --> 01:41:29,270
it was given and she said after one day

2418
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:31,429
I've heard enough that convinces me

2419
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,690
there should be full congressional

2420
01:41:36,970 --> 01:41:34,880
hearings and it's at that point there

2421
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:36,980
the whole panel behind her politicians

2422
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:39,650
through Platt the whole audience broke

2423
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:42,050
out and took into applause and Steve

2424
01:41:45,370 --> 01:41:43,730
Bassett was wheeled in and took a round

2425
01:41:48,970 --> 01:41:45,380
of applause now that was totally

2426
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:48,980
unexpected just one day's hearing of the

2427
01:41:53,050 --> 01:41:50,810
evidence that these politicians who

2428
01:41:55,780 --> 01:41:53,060
didn't really have a clue about it were

2429
01:41:57,220 --> 01:41:55,790
convinced enough to say yeah we've heard

2430
01:41:59,140 --> 01:41:57,230
enough you've got some good evidence

2431
01:42:02,080 --> 01:41:59,150
there and this is before the

2432
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:02,090
questionable people really it was it was

2433
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:04,670
a historical first day in the sense of

2434
01:42:07,780 --> 01:42:06,320
they set out the parameters of what was

2435
01:42:09,250 --> 01:42:07,790
going to follow during the week well you

2436
01:42:11,709 --> 01:42:09,260
know I'm Richard darling is a very

2437
01:42:12,970 --> 01:42:11,719
skilled historian and brought a lot of

2438
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:12,980
gravitas on this subject

2439
01:42:17,290 --> 01:42:15,110
he's written arguably the best book ever

2440
01:42:18,819 --> 01:42:17,300
written the first part of his trilogy

2441
01:42:20,319 --> 01:42:18,829
you have force the national security

2442
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:20,329
state has the best history book on

2443
01:42:25,660 --> 01:42:22,489
politics the new air force that I've

2444
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:25,670
seen so you know he was there you you've

2445
01:42:28,810 --> 01:42:27,290
got grant Cameron who's an excellent

2446
01:42:30,430 --> 01:42:28,820
researcher from Canada

2447
01:42:32,620 --> 01:42:30,440
I think Stanton Friedman was there on

2448
01:42:34,330 --> 01:42:32,630
the first day you had Steve Bassett

2449
01:42:37,390 --> 01:42:34,340
yes there was Steven Greer there as well

2450
01:42:40,569 --> 01:42:37,400
which is a which is an aside but I

2451
01:42:42,819 --> 01:42:40,579
didn't think that you know overall that

2452
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:42,829
was an amazing point for them somebody

2453
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:45,110
with with her level of experience in

2454
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:46,570
public office too

2455
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:48,490
and they also don't clap so the whole

2456
01:42:53,310 --> 01:42:51,310
panel of six stood up and what came out

2457
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:53,320
during the week was that they were

2458
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:55,690
almost having brain Overlord

2459
01:43:00,840 --> 01:42:57,690
by the second day they were almost

2460
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:00,850
embarrassed by the quality of some of

2461
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:03,010
the evidence the pilot cases just you

2462
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:05,380
can I give one example of where this

2463
01:43:12,030 --> 01:43:08,290
came out senator former senator Merrill

2464
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:12,040
cook had been I think fairly skeptical

2465
01:43:15,540 --> 01:43:14,080
during the week and had kept saying yeah

2466
01:43:17,550 --> 01:43:15,550
but you're not saying it has to be easy

2467
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:17,560
you know there was always a get out kind

2468
01:43:22,020 --> 01:43:17,920
of thing

2469
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:22,030
but when he heard the testimony live

2470
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:24,520
from the pilot Colonel Oscar Santana

2471
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:27,490
Maria from Peru who said that he chased

2472
01:43:33,660 --> 01:43:30,940
and shot at a UFO in broad daylight and

2473
01:43:36,900 --> 01:43:33,670
went on an 80-minute dogfight the body

2474
01:43:39,570 --> 01:43:36,910
language of Meral cook his jaw was

2475
01:43:43,110 --> 01:43:39,580
literally on the ground and to see a

2476
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:43,120
politician reduced to being in awe of

2477
01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:46,210
that testimony was a privilege to be

2478
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:49,240
there and that's how powerful it could

2479
01:43:53,850 --> 01:43:51,910
have been no I think you could about 50

2480
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,860
pilots there who were vetted talked to

2481
01:43:57,570 --> 01:43:55,360
the eyeballs and that would have been an

2482
01:44:00,000 --> 01:43:57,580
even more impressive than all of us put

2483
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,010
together but 50 pilots there's no way to

2484
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:02,080
go with pilots but you know especially

2485
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:03,670
in broad daylight especially when it's

2486
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:05,770
red I'll convert ground an airborne

2487
01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:08,490
radar confirm often multiple a ground

2488
01:44:14,210 --> 01:44:11,350
radar and ground you know those kind of

2489
01:44:19,310 --> 01:44:14,220
cases it just proved it on its own to me

2490
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:22,680
well let's let's move on we got a bunch

2491
01:44:25,770 --> 01:44:24,460
of questions Gary a lot of people are

2492
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:25,780
excited that you're on the pair of cast

2493
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,360
yeah or you'll be screaming and yelling

2494
01:44:38,610 --> 01:44:35,920
wondering why you ever got involved in

2495
01:44:44,180 --> 01:44:38,620
the UFO field and gee wouldn't it be

2496
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:44,190
more fun to go chase bank robbers no

2497
01:44:48,990 --> 01:44:46,810
we're gonna have a break in a very short

2498
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:49,000
amount of time so I just wanted to let

2499
01:44:53,460 --> 01:44:51,250
you know that and Chris we'll start our

2500
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:53,470
next segment with some more questions

2501
01:44:57,870 --> 01:44:55,690
from our listeners our guest this week

2502
01:44:59,960 --> 01:44:57,880
ladies and gentlemen is Gary Heseltine

2503
01:45:02,870 --> 01:44:59,970
he's a former police officer

2504
01:45:04,340 --> 01:45:02,880
he's involved in a database project in

2505
01:45:07,340 --> 01:45:04,350
which he's collected hundreds of cases

2506
01:45:09,710 --> 01:45:07,350
from fellow law enforcement officers in

2507
01:45:12,140 --> 01:45:09,720
the UK he has a new UFO magazine coming

2508
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:12,150
out something that I know a lot about

2509
01:45:17,180 --> 01:45:14,490
having done one of those things myself a

2510
01:45:19,580 --> 01:45:17,190
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2511
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2537
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2538
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2539
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2540
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2542
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2549
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2550
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2561
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2563
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2564
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2565
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:28,080
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2566
01:47:33,470 --> 01:47:30,570
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2567
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2568
01:47:37,570 --> 01:47:34,250
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2569
01:47:38,860 --> 01:47:37,580
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2570
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2571
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

2572
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2573
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:02,570
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

2574
01:48:06,429 --> 01:48:04,249
Kristen the power cast we have UFO

2575
01:48:09,069 --> 01:48:06,439
investigator former police officer Gary

2576
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:09,079
Heseltine lots of questions from our

2577
01:48:13,569 --> 01:48:11,570
listeners let's jump right in Chris well

2578
01:48:15,250 --> 01:48:13,579
this one comes from somebody that we've

2579
01:48:17,890 --> 01:48:15,260
been kind of dogging because of his

2580
01:48:20,020 --> 01:48:17,900
on-screen name which was Yeti turds for

2581
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,030
sale he's he's

2582
01:48:28,270 --> 01:48:22,639
I think changed that now to talking

2583
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:28,280
meatsuit he's one of our fairly recent

2584
01:48:32,649 --> 01:48:31,130
additions to the forum family but here's

2585
01:48:34,509 --> 01:48:32,659
a really good question he says he

2586
01:48:37,870 --> 01:48:34,519
doesn't really have a question but a

2587
01:48:40,179 --> 01:48:37,880
dating back to 1901 is intriguing for

2588
01:48:42,279 --> 01:48:40,189
sure I'd love to hear more about some of

2589
01:48:44,410 --> 01:48:42,289
the really old lesser-known cases I

2590
01:48:45,879 --> 01:48:44,420
wasn't aware that you had a case that

2591
01:48:47,469 --> 01:48:45,889
goes back almost to the turn of the 19th

2592
01:48:49,509 --> 01:48:47,479
20th century that's that's very

2593
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:49,519
interesting you care to elaborate on

2594
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:53,449
those yes this is a case that is a it's

2595
01:48:59,709 --> 01:48:56,090
a newspaper article but the reason why

2596
01:49:02,469 --> 01:48:59,719
I've included it is because it names the

2597
01:49:04,089 --> 01:49:02,479
officers that were on duty which unusual

2598
01:49:06,669 --> 01:49:04,099
in that kind of time for him and it also

2599
01:49:08,830 --> 01:49:06,679
describes what is an object that we

2600
01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:08,840
would in the modern day area would would

2601
01:49:13,689 --> 01:49:10,729
would say it was a cigar shaped you were

2602
01:49:15,969 --> 01:49:13,699
for exhibiting flight characteristics

2603
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:15,979
and basically what happened in 1901 is

2604
01:49:19,629 --> 01:49:17,209
that there are two police officers

2605
01:49:22,810 --> 01:49:19,639
walking together on the beach in

2606
01:49:24,850 --> 01:49:22,820
Keithley in not actually a million miles

2607
01:49:26,259 --> 01:49:24,860
away from where I am now in the county

2608
01:49:28,839 --> 01:49:26,269
of West York which is where I live now

2609
01:49:30,879 --> 01:49:28,849
and they're on walking around the town

2610
01:49:33,299 --> 01:49:30,889
early hours and they see a cigar shaped

2611
01:49:36,219 --> 01:49:33,309
object that superior hovering low

2612
01:49:39,129 --> 01:49:36,229
there's no real noise and they see it

2613
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:39,139
and then it's got a green glow to it

2614
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:41,570
and then it kind of speeds off in the

2615
01:49:47,410 --> 01:49:44,090
distance well who knows what it is in

2616
01:49:48,759 --> 01:49:47,420
1901 and some people speculate well it's

2617
01:49:50,830 --> 01:49:48,769
a little early

2618
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:50,840
dirigible that kind of thing and maybe

2619
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,449
it was maybe it wasn't but the fact was

2620
01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:55,599
that I've done some research on

2621
01:50:02,510 --> 01:49:57,420
dirigibles in the

2622
01:50:03,919 --> 01:50:02,520
early 1900s the late 1890s etc and there

2623
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:03,929
is no evidence to say that there was

2624
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:06,090
anything flying officially all that was

2625
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:08,790
known about in that time now and what

2626
01:50:12,590 --> 01:50:10,290
makes it interesting is that there's

2627
01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:12,600
obviously a green glow and no noise well

2628
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:14,310
the first rituals would have a an

2629
01:50:16,370 --> 01:50:15,090
undercarriage

2630
01:50:18,169 --> 01:50:16,380
that would have propellers and have

2631
01:50:20,959 --> 01:50:18,179
little mortars so they would have made

2632
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:20,969
noise again he sought to interpretation

2633
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:23,400
we'll never know but it's certainly an

2634
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,080
interesting sighted and because the

2635
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:27,360
officers would and I included it shades

2636
01:50:36,169 --> 01:50:30,210
of the great airship wave four years and

2637
01:50:38,090 --> 01:50:36,179
three years prior and you know several

2638
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:38,100
years later down in New Zealand and I

2639
01:50:42,380 --> 01:50:40,650
think Australia yeah there was also

2640
01:50:45,110 --> 01:50:42,390
another sighting that's on the date base

2641
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:45,120
again where the officer's name of an

2642
01:50:51,650 --> 01:50:47,850
officer be in Peterborough in England

2643
01:50:54,260 --> 01:50:51,660
seen in 1909 see no large cylindrical

2644
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:54,270
objects but again the research says that

2645
01:50:59,900 --> 01:50:56,250
there's nothing flying at that time in

2646
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,910
that area so who knows the thing is with

2647
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:01,920
historical cases and that's why I make

2648
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:03,810
the difference it's like the ancient

2649
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:07,770
alien kind of stories I think there's

2650
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:11,010
some very interesting cases in terms of

2651
01:51:18,140 --> 01:51:14,070
architecture structural engineering that

2652
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:18,150
I I am not convinced man-made but in the

2653
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:19,260
end we're never going to know because

2654
01:51:22,970 --> 01:51:20,940
they're simply historical and there's no

2655
01:51:25,250 --> 01:51:22,980
way we're ever gonna know and that's the

2656
01:51:27,290 --> 01:51:25,260
same with some UFO signs

2657
01:51:28,939 --> 01:51:27,300
you know from 100 years ago yes they're

2658
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:28,949
interesting but will we ever prove

2659
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:31,410
whether it E or it was man-made we'll

2660
01:51:35,060 --> 01:51:32,580
never know they just don't have to

2661
01:51:38,660 --> 01:51:35,070
conjecture but then you know but they

2662
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:38,670
are interesting so you know that's my

2663
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:40,770
take on that well here's an interesting

2664
01:51:45,620 --> 01:51:42,510
one about a case that I'm not familiar

2665
01:51:48,620 --> 01:51:45,630
with this comes from SLV a who's been

2666
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:48,630
one of our posters since 2009 at forum

2667
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:51,480
dr. Peric ascom and this is interesting

2668
01:51:58,340 --> 01:51:54,300
here please let us know your conclusions

2669
01:52:02,180 --> 01:51:58,350
on the 1980s Sigmund Adamski I think

2670
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:02,190
Todmorden case is it true I know about

2671
01:52:06,919 --> 01:52:04,410
this case because it does relate to a

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01:52:09,110 --> 01:52:06,929
famous British police case called that

2673
01:52:10,410 --> 01:52:09,120
of Alan Godfrey now you may have heard

2674
01:52:12,899 --> 01:52:10,420
of Alan Godfrey because

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01:52:16,169 --> 01:52:12,909
he's kind of recognized as Britain's

2676
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,179
first confirmed abduction case that

2677
01:52:20,010 --> 01:52:18,400
fitted all with criteria he was a very

2678
01:52:22,770 --> 01:52:20,020
well known case he went all around the

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world and basically I think November the

2680
01:52:27,419 --> 01:52:25,449
28th 1980 Alan Godfrey Ozzy sighting

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01:52:30,750 --> 01:52:27,429
well what happened with this zigmund

2682
01:52:33,060 --> 01:52:30,760
Adamski zigmund Adamski was not anything

2683
01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:33,070
to do with the Adamski firm of contactee

2684
01:52:37,379 --> 01:52:35,500
firm in the 50s but basically zigmund

2685
01:52:40,859 --> 01:52:37,389
Adamski was I think a Polish immigrant

2686
01:52:44,370 --> 01:52:40,869
to England and basically he lived about

2687
01:52:46,919 --> 01:52:44,380
25 30 miles away from Todmorden and he

2688
01:52:49,979 --> 01:52:46,929
basically went out one evening to go to

2689
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:49,989
a local grocery shop and disappeared

2690
01:52:54,180 --> 01:52:51,610
nobody knew where he went

2691
01:52:57,930 --> 01:52:54,190
then what happens Alan Godfrey's on duty

2692
01:52:59,040 --> 01:52:57,940
in uniform when he's called to a body

2693
01:53:01,649 --> 01:52:59,050
that's been found

2694
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:01,659
on the top of a cold stack now what I

2695
01:53:07,890 --> 01:53:04,449
mean by a cold stack is it's a you know

2696
01:53:09,450 --> 01:53:07,900
it's a imagine a big Lord of coal being

2697
01:53:12,030 --> 01:53:09,460
dropped and it will create this corn

2698
01:53:13,709 --> 01:53:12,040
effect well effectively he was called to

2699
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:13,719
a body that was found on the top of one

2700
01:53:19,890 --> 01:53:16,210
of these corns and at the top of it was

2701
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,900
this body laid on its back and had a

2702
01:53:25,709 --> 01:53:22,000
look of fright apparently on his face on

2703
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:25,719
his face and he didn't have a shirt on

2704
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:27,250
but he had a jacket on he had a vest on

2705
01:53:31,410 --> 01:53:29,290
he had money in his pocket and it looked

2706
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:31,420
to all intents and purposes that he'd

2707
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:33,820
been dropped onto the top of this coal

2708
01:53:38,669 --> 01:53:36,250
stack his clothes were filthy now how do

2709
01:53:40,319 --> 01:53:38,679
you clambered up himself he got filthy

2710
01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:40,329
in the cold us didn't have any dust on

2711
01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:43,030
him what he also had was some light

2712
01:53:48,810 --> 01:53:46,540
strange circular blotch marks on his

2713
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,820
face like supermax all across his face

2714
01:53:53,549 --> 01:53:51,520
and that I can verify that that was the

2715
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:53,559
case because what happened was Alan

2716
01:53:57,660 --> 01:53:55,570
Godfrey goes to that the treating it as

2717
01:54:01,200 --> 01:53:57,670
a murder scene so don't know who the guy

2718
01:54:03,149 --> 01:54:01,210
is within a few days they're going

2719
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:03,159
around with a photograph and he still

2720
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,900
has this photograph he's never shown it

2721
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:07,119
to anybody apart from me I think since

2722
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:09,250
he retired but basically I've seen this

2723
01:54:12,270 --> 01:54:10,480
photograph and he's got these sucker

2724
01:54:13,620 --> 01:54:12,280
maps on the face and it's a picture of a

2725
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:13,630
dead body and they were going round the

2726
01:54:16,979 --> 01:54:14,050
pubs

2727
01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:16,989
officially saying June all this man we

2728
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,280
were trying to identify this man you

2729
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:20,320
know this man is and nobody could

2730
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:23,050
identify it then turns out that five

2731
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,550
days later

2732
01:54:29,970 --> 01:54:26,800
the person is confirmed as this Sigmund

2733
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:29,980
Adamski and he's from this village 2530

2734
01:54:33,810 --> 01:54:32,320
miles away and then he gone out just to

2735
01:54:36,750 --> 01:54:33,820
get Gross's and then disappeared

2736
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:36,760
well all the police research could not

2737
01:54:42,450 --> 01:54:40,210
find any norm link between him and todd

2738
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:42,460
madam and as far as I'm aware that never

2739
01:54:46,980 --> 01:54:45,130
was a confirmed link of how he got to

2740
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:46,990
that village how he came onto the call

2741
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:49,360
step now where it gets kind of UFO

2742
01:54:55,860 --> 01:54:51,970
related it was that Alan Godfrey that

2743
01:54:58,290 --> 01:54:55,870
his sighting and he at one point is

2744
01:55:00,930 --> 01:54:58,300
called many months later in to say I

2745
01:55:04,170 --> 01:55:00,940
think he's Chief Superintendent who says

2746
01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:04,180
I want you to sign this and he took this

2747
01:55:08,730 --> 01:55:06,640
to superintendent turns over a piece of

2748
01:55:11,310 --> 01:55:08,740
paper and it says you're not to talk

2749
01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:11,320
about your UFO sighting and you are not

2750
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:14,260
to talk about the zigmund Adamski sudden

2751
01:55:18,690 --> 01:55:16,210
death well if there wasn't a UFO

2752
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,700
connection before I think you could

2753
01:55:24,450 --> 01:55:20,880
argue why put those two together and

2754
01:55:26,850 --> 01:55:24,460
make a link there and what also makes it

2755
01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:26,860
a bit strange is that when the body was

2756
01:55:31,170 --> 01:55:29,470
found he was found with anointment from

2757
01:55:33,780 --> 01:55:31,180
an abrasion on the back of the neck now

2758
01:55:36,870 --> 01:55:33,790
this argument was sent off for forensic

2759
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:36,880
analysis to the Wetherby or forensic

2760
01:55:42,210 --> 01:55:39,520
police laboratory for forensic analysis

2761
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:42,220
and on their non database of substances

2762
01:55:45,420 --> 01:55:44,290
they were never able to identify it

2763
01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:45,430
which is a bit bizarre

2764
01:55:51,780 --> 01:55:48,940
and this was confirmed by the coroner

2765
01:55:55,050 --> 01:55:51,790
who was called Turnbull who done

2766
01:55:57,240 --> 01:55:55,060
thousands of cases in this con I think

2767
01:55:59,370 --> 01:55:57,250
it's allen tune but went on TV and said

2768
01:56:02,040 --> 01:55:59,380
look I've done thousands of cases this

2769
01:56:04,410 --> 01:56:02,050
is the most bizarre case I've ever dealt

2770
01:56:07,620 --> 01:56:04,420
with confirmed that this items had never

2771
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:07,630
been identified and said put it this way

2772
01:56:12,150 --> 01:56:09,850
if somebody told me that there was a UFO

2773
01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:12,160
involved I would only raise one eyebrow

2774
01:56:17,940 --> 01:56:15,400
now that for a coroner to make that kind

2775
01:56:19,860 --> 01:56:17,950
of remark he's very bizarre yeah so

2776
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:19,870
there was a kind of a UFO connotation

2777
01:56:24,750 --> 01:56:22,480
still an unexplained case whether it's

2778
01:56:26,850 --> 01:56:24,760
definitely UFO I don't know but it's a

2779
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:26,860
very fascinating case and because he was

2780
01:56:30,890 --> 01:56:29,290
tied to link to Alan Godfrey as the

2781
01:56:33,590 --> 01:56:30,900
first officer on the scene for the body

2782
01:56:36,150 --> 01:56:33,600
the press made a meal of it and

2783
01:56:37,229 --> 01:56:36,160
incorporated that into a big news

2784
01:56:39,810 --> 01:56:37,239
headline a year

2785
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:39,820
after Alan udderly sighting when I think

2786
01:56:44,850 --> 01:56:42,280
it was the Sunday Mirror which was then

2787
01:56:47,850 --> 01:56:44,860
leading the UK national paper did a

2788
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:47,860
two-page article two-page spread and and

2789
01:56:52,799 --> 01:56:50,110
mix the story up and said on Godfrey was

2790
01:56:54,660 --> 01:56:52,809
involved in this UFO case and also was

2791
01:56:56,609 --> 01:56:54,670
involved in this UFO case involving the

2792
01:56:58,109 --> 01:56:56,619
zigmund Adamski so that's how that story

2793
01:56:59,729 --> 01:56:58,119
became known and you were four circles

2794
01:57:02,189 --> 01:56:59,739
it was the press manipulating the

2795
01:57:04,439 --> 01:57:02,199
situation a follow-up question that he

2796
01:57:06,509 --> 01:57:04,449
has is an interesting one it's one that

2797
01:57:08,729 --> 01:57:06,519
I would ask as well have you seen a

2798
01:57:10,259 --> 01:57:08,739
pattern emerging in the proof of data

2799
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:10,269
that would suggest that there are

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01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:11,650
certain hot spots around the British

2801
01:57:17,850 --> 01:57:14,650
Isles and if so where yeah I did again

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01:57:20,339 --> 01:57:17,860
going back to the last real attempt at

2803
01:57:22,049 --> 01:57:20,349
doing a full look at the statistics

2804
01:57:23,459 --> 01:57:22,059
we'll have to look at those patterns in

2805
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a moment because we have to do our break

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that's how it goes we have Gary

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Heseltine joining us with Jean and Chris

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segment and I know you were about to

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the last time I had a pretty in-depth

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look was about three years ago and at

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that time based on the number of cases

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then it basically when I plotted them

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across the UK there were the into number

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of counties Scotland Ireland etc the the

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biggest county that had police UFO

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02:02:47,569 --> 02:02:45,479
sightings were centered around Yorkshire

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as a whole which is where I live and

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also the fact that when you look to

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Yorkshire in policing terms I mean in UK

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geographical terms is divided into three

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West Yorkshire South Yorkshire North

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Yorkshire each of their own respective

2925
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police forces but in the West Yorkshire

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was the where I live was the biggest

2927
02:03:11,060 --> 02:03:08,639
concentration of police UFO sightings on

2928
02:03:13,790 --> 02:03:11,070
the database followed then very closely

2929
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:13,800
by South Yorkshire at North York sure so

2930
02:03:19,069 --> 02:03:16,530
the officer Hall was a hot spot now I

2931
02:03:21,589 --> 02:03:19,079
think there are some anomalies to that

2932
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:21,599
in the sense of I researched Alan

2933
02:03:25,250 --> 02:03:23,010
Godfrey story when I launched the

2934
02:03:27,500 --> 02:03:25,260
database I one of the questions I always

2935
02:03:29,989 --> 02:03:27,510
ask of the police officers that research

2936
02:03:32,359 --> 02:03:29,999
is well as any other police officer told

2937
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:32,369
you about a sighting and quite a few of

2938
02:03:36,140 --> 02:03:34,320
them say well yes and I said well what's

2939
02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:36,150
their name can you get me the telephone

2940
02:03:39,259 --> 02:03:37,409
number and it kind of leads me to

2941
02:03:41,060 --> 02:03:39,269
another one so you get that one and then

2942
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:41,070
you say at the end of that process do

2943
02:03:44,569 --> 02:03:42,570
you know of any other places yes I mean

2944
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,579
you can have a little chain and with the

2945
02:03:49,219 --> 02:03:46,800
Alan Godfrey it led to about a spirit of

2946
02:03:51,410 --> 02:03:49,229
another eight to nine sightings which

2947
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:51,420
had I had not gone to Alan Godfrey the

2948
02:03:53,959 --> 02:03:53,130
figures wouldn't have gone up proportion

2949
02:03:56,929 --> 02:03:53,969
if you see what I mean

2950
02:03:59,540 --> 02:03:56,939
so yes I think overall it still is the

2951
02:04:01,239 --> 02:03:59,550
highest concentration of UK police

2952
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:01,249
sightings but there are some slight

2953
02:04:05,449 --> 02:04:04,110
anomalies that's interesting and it's

2954
02:04:05,959 --> 02:04:05,459
also interesting to be right where you

2955
02:04:07,549 --> 02:04:05,969
live

2956
02:04:09,410 --> 02:04:07,559
- that kind of makes it a little bit

2957
02:04:11,839 --> 02:04:09,420
more convenient I guess and I bet you

2958
02:04:13,660 --> 02:04:11,849
keep you think about the synchronicities

2959
02:04:15,529 --> 02:04:13,670
of our I've got involved in the subject

2960
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:15,539
well it makes sense

2961
02:04:22,879 --> 02:04:19,170
you all sure and I set up the database I

2962
02:04:25,279 --> 02:04:22,889
get involved Wow impact due to a

2963
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,289
magazine that was based and printed out

2964
02:04:28,850 --> 02:04:27,599
of leads where I worked how it could

2965
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:28,860
have been anywhere in the UK I wouldn't

2966
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:30,090
have been able to call in and see them

2967
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:33,570
then so it's strange and when I launched

2968
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:36,570
the database Alan Godfrey lived about 25

2969
02:04:40,219 --> 02:04:38,639
miles away and told me it's happened so

2970
02:04:41,989 --> 02:04:40,229
he course he was going to be one of the

2971
02:04:44,270 --> 02:04:41,999
first officers are contacted because

2972
02:04:45,290 --> 02:04:44,280
I've read I mean books so you know

2973
02:04:48,469 --> 02:04:45,300
that's kind of strange

2974
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:48,479
well here's a question from one of our

2975
02:04:54,649 --> 02:04:51,570
longtime posters Byrne state at forum

2976
02:04:56,660 --> 02:04:54,659
dr. Peric ask.com and Gary in your

2977
02:04:59,299 --> 02:04:56,670
experience of sightings that involve

2978
02:05:02,629 --> 02:04:59,309
both police and civilian witnesses

2979
02:05:04,339 --> 02:05:02,639
how often do reports match and how often

2980
02:05:06,229 --> 02:05:04,349
is there a disparity between what the

2981
02:05:08,060 --> 02:05:06,239
witness saw versus the police officer

2982
02:05:09,859 --> 02:05:08,070
and if there is a high degree of

2983
02:05:11,239 --> 02:05:09,869
disparity between these two sets of

2984
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,249
witnesses how do you account for that

2985
02:05:16,969 --> 02:05:12,960
well I think you have to understand the

2986
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:16,979
nature of witness testimony and I'm an

2987
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:19,440
adverb well I was an advanced witness

2988
02:05:24,350 --> 02:05:22,050
interview of witnesses and suspect so

2989
02:05:26,930 --> 02:05:24,360
I've got psychological training in how

2990
02:05:29,689 --> 02:05:26,940
to get suspects to talk or get them more

2991
02:05:31,069 --> 02:05:29,699
chances than talking also I've been

2992
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,079
taught a method called the enhanced

2993
02:05:35,629 --> 02:05:33,119
cognitive method of retrieving

2994
02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:35,639
information from witnesses so these are

2995
02:05:39,979 --> 02:05:37,260
special techniques so that I use you can

2996
02:05:44,569 --> 02:05:39,989
go and basically in terms of the police

2997
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:44,579
now when you look at testimony per se

2998
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:48,090
the skeptic will always say oh yeah well

2999
02:05:53,209 --> 02:05:50,729
there's so many disparity and things you

3000
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:53,219
know there's anomalies between what

3001
02:05:58,669 --> 02:05:56,400
people said everybody's a hundred people

3002
02:06:00,680 --> 02:05:58,679
could look out of their bedroom window

3003
02:06:02,509 --> 02:06:00,690
now at the same thing and they would all

3004
02:06:05,180 --> 02:06:02,519
come back with things slightly different

3005
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:05,190
some would say they saw a person running

3006
02:06:09,709 --> 02:06:07,650
past the house in a red jumper there's

3007
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:09,719
somebody run past in a blue jumper some

3008
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:11,010
say I would say there were two people

3009
02:06:16,129 --> 02:06:13,170
running past but the essential element

3010
02:06:18,990 --> 02:06:16,139
in all of this is despite the fact that

3011
02:06:22,140 --> 02:06:19,000
there are minor differences

3012
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:22,150
the story of a person or somebody

3013
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:25,690
running past is the key so you have to

3014
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:29,650
accept that people's testimony can vary

3015
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:31,930
slightly their descriptions you can have

3016
02:06:36,300 --> 02:06:33,610
people that say it was like the black

3017
02:06:38,490 --> 02:06:36,310
guy Chinese guy and it's clearly just an

3018
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:38,500
ordinary white Caucasian male but in

3019
02:06:42,540 --> 02:06:40,540
that short timeframe people can get

3020
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:42,550
things wrong but the essential element

3021
02:06:47,070 --> 02:06:44,320
of what's happened I saw that man

3022
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:47,080
stabbed and then run away is the the

3023
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:49,360
evidence key evidence bit so perceptions

3024
02:06:54,510 --> 02:06:51,850
can change but that said when we look at

3025
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,520
UFO sightings there are many cases on

3026
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:56,800
the database that were reported in the

3027
02:07:02,520 --> 02:06:59,920
media and because the meed members of

3028
02:07:03,930 --> 02:07:02,530
the public and ran off the newspapers in

3029
02:07:06,090 --> 02:07:03,940
France saying I can see this strange

3030
02:07:07,890 --> 02:07:06,100
light well if you told all we've told

3031
02:07:10,350 --> 02:07:07,900
the police in the area alongside of us

3032
02:07:12,990 --> 02:07:10,360
so you have quite a lot of cases where

3033
02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:13,000
initially members of the public ring in

3034
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:15,520
they in turn it gets to the police the

3035
02:07:19,290 --> 02:07:17,050
police turn off and the officer goes

3036
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:19,300
well actually I can see it too and that

3037
02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:20,970
generally is the correlation between

3038
02:07:25,500 --> 02:07:23,440
basically they corroborate what the

3039
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,510
people are saying you don't generally

3040
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:27,520
have a situation where the member of the

3041
02:07:31,500 --> 02:07:29,650
public will say I'm looking at an

3042
02:07:33,660 --> 02:07:31,510
egg-shaped object over there and the

3043
02:07:35,580 --> 02:07:33,670
police turn on wah I can't say anything

3044
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:35,590
no there are lots of cases that your

3045
02:07:39,390 --> 02:07:37,360
imprint where officers have gone on

3046
02:07:42,060 --> 02:07:39,400
record making comments the same yeah I

3047
02:07:43,860 --> 02:07:42,070
saw this cigar-shaped object you know I

3048
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:43,870
went to it not thinking I'm going to see

3049
02:07:47,370 --> 02:07:45,370
anything and I saw things there is a

3050
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:47,380
correlation that says generally what

3051
02:07:52,500 --> 02:07:50,170
people are reporting a bona fide I kind

3052
02:07:54,690 --> 02:07:52,510
of think that over the years my 11 years

3053
02:07:56,940 --> 02:07:54,700
of research are you also get members of

3054
02:07:59,130 --> 02:07:56,950
the public ringing me and whilst that

3055
02:08:00,660 --> 02:07:59,140
put them on a database I do kind of love

3056
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:00,670
a lot of these especially the more

3057
02:08:05,220 --> 02:08:03,610
better sightings and within minutes I

3058
02:08:08,250 --> 02:08:05,230
can tell if somebody's genuine or not

3059
02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:08,260
that they're recalling a real event

3060
02:08:13,860 --> 02:08:10,900
ultimately because I'm not there it's

3061
02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:13,870
harder to plot to speculate definitively

3062
02:08:19,050 --> 02:08:16,630
what they've seen but what is important

3063
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:19,060
is that if somebody says to me yeah I

3064
02:08:23,490 --> 02:08:21,040
watched this object and it was over this

3065
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:23,500
house and then suddenly shot straight up

3066
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:26,050
vertically near at speed in the blink of

3067
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:28,330
an eye now I know that that is one of

3068
02:08:32,700 --> 02:08:30,010
the genuine characters of what I would

3069
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:32,710
say 80 craft after 60 years of research

3070
02:08:37,140 --> 02:08:34,930
is there are probably a genuine

3071
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:37,150
characteristics which are effectively

3072
02:08:41,850 --> 02:08:39,730
instant acceleration instant stop

3073
02:08:43,979 --> 02:08:41,860
I saw the inertia factors there we can't

3074
02:08:46,140 --> 02:08:43,989
do the stop on a sixpence as we would

3075
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:46,150
say in England reversals in flight so

3076
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:48,010
instant accelerations point stop

3077
02:08:53,310 --> 02:08:50,610
reversal in flight right angle turns

3078
02:08:55,410 --> 02:08:53,320
vertical ascent to ice be vertical

3079
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,420
descent the ability to render themselves

3080
02:09:00,660 --> 02:08:58,000
visible the ability to themselves render

3081
02:09:03,150 --> 02:09:00,670
themselves invisible and effectively

3082
02:09:05,070 --> 02:09:03,160
most operate with no noise whatsoever

3083
02:09:06,750 --> 02:09:05,080
I think that's seven or eight but these

3084
02:09:09,090 --> 02:09:06,760
are characteristics that I think are

3085
02:09:11,010 --> 02:09:09,100
borne out by genuine cases so it says

3086
02:09:13,380 --> 02:09:11,020
well I'm watching this thing and it's

3087
02:09:15,209 --> 02:09:13,390
made in right angle terms in the sky

3088
02:09:17,729 --> 02:09:15,219
there may only thirty seen you for

3089
02:09:19,890 --> 02:09:17,739
thirty seconds but if they're accurate

3090
02:09:21,900 --> 02:09:19,900
and they're especially corroborated by

3091
02:09:23,850 --> 02:09:21,910
other people that's saying yeah we saw

3092
02:09:24,120 --> 02:09:23,860
this thing making weird patterns in the

3093
02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:24,130
sky

3094
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:26,710
well planes can't do that you know

3095
02:09:31,020 --> 02:09:28,480
microlights can't do that without noise

3096
02:09:33,150 --> 02:09:31,030
and the can't do it quickly but when

3097
02:09:34,500 --> 02:09:33,160
people are making the same 90-degree

3098
02:09:35,700 --> 02:09:34,510
turns and things like that you're

3099
02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:35,710
thinking well on the balance of

3100
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:36,940
probability you've probably seen

3101
02:09:42,150 --> 02:09:39,370
something that's veers more towards on

3102
02:09:45,140 --> 02:09:42,160
explained in eighteen now I don't accept

3103
02:09:48,209 --> 02:09:45,150
in this modern area this concept of

3104
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:48,219
unexplained it's not good at often the

3105
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:51,610
media accept and write off good cases by

3106
02:09:56,190 --> 02:09:53,650
just saying yeah it was unexplained

3107
02:09:57,959 --> 02:09:56,200
after investigation well if if you just

3108
02:10:00,630 --> 02:09:57,969
said that to a member of the public that

3109
02:10:03,330 --> 02:10:00,640
that kind of been infers that there's

3110
02:10:06,420 --> 02:10:03,340
not a lot to it but if the case like

3111
02:10:08,340 --> 02:10:06,430
colonel oscar santamarina is unexplained

3112
02:10:10,500 --> 02:10:08,350
what a travesty of justice that would be

3113
02:10:13,020 --> 02:10:10,510
want to see something about whether

3114
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:13,030
unexplained is not important or not

3115
02:10:16,290 --> 02:10:14,770
significant then we go on I don't want

3116
02:10:19,229 --> 02:10:16,300
to quibble with words but I'll mention

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3232
02:15:01,010 --> 02:14:59,220
back to the questions I wanted to just

3233
02:15:03,290 --> 02:15:01,020
mention one thing gary has whole time

3234
02:15:05,540 --> 02:15:03,300
that is because something is unexplained

3235
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:05,550
doesn't mean it's not significant it

3236
02:15:08,930 --> 02:15:07,170
means we don't know what it is but it's

3237
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:08,940
doing all sorts of weird things we have

3238
02:15:13,970 --> 02:15:10,890
to figure it out I don't think that

3239
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:13,980
denigrates the value of a case if

3240
02:15:17,300 --> 02:15:15,690
anything it just means there's a mystery

3241
02:15:20,180 --> 02:15:17,310
we have to figure out yeah but I think

3242
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:20,190
that when you deal with a pilot case

3243
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:21,690
especially where it's a pilot case

3244
02:15:25,850 --> 02:15:23,370
that's corroborated by other pilots

3245
02:15:27,710 --> 02:15:25,860
ground radar airborne we should be

3246
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:27,720
making more of a determination that

3247
02:15:32,810 --> 02:15:30,480
gives a guesstimate of what it is isn't

3248
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:32,820
it to me it's a cop-out for the press to

3249
02:15:37,010 --> 02:15:35,130
say it's unexplained yes it is

3250
02:15:39,260 --> 02:15:37,020
technically unexplained but we have to

3251
02:15:41,780 --> 02:15:39,270
make a best guess as to what it points

3252
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:41,790
towards and what I mean by that is you

3253
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:43,890
have to rule out what it is and what it

3254
02:15:48,020 --> 02:15:45,690
isn't and you should go through that

3255
02:15:50,660 --> 02:15:48,030
process and if you get to the end of

3256
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:50,670
ruling out all conventional atmospheric

3257
02:15:55,820 --> 02:15:52,650
blah blah blind these really exceptional

3258
02:15:58,460 --> 02:15:55,830
cases you shouldn't be afraid to say the

3259
02:16:01,490 --> 02:15:58,470
circumstantial evidence points towards

3260
02:16:04,430 --> 02:16:01,500
an exotic unknown machine that does not

3261
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:04,440
appear to fit with our modern knowledge

3262
02:16:08,330 --> 02:16:06,450
of physics and characteristics and I

3263
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:08,340
think that points towards 80 that's my

3264
02:16:12,440 --> 02:16:10,110
taking it we should make a best

3265
02:16:14,180 --> 02:16:12,450
conclusion well I think one of the

3266
02:16:15,890 --> 02:16:14,190
arguments we make of the power cast is

3267
02:16:19,220 --> 02:16:15,900
that a lot of what you say is correct

3268
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:19,230
but we're not ready to say it CT that

3269
02:16:22,910 --> 02:16:20,850
may be pushing it a little bit over the

3270
02:16:24,620 --> 02:16:22,920
edge but that's a difference of opinion

3271
02:16:26,570 --> 02:16:24,630
Chris about the question please

3272
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:26,580
well this is this is another question

3273
02:16:30,500 --> 02:16:28,530
from burden state and again this is a

3274
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:30,510
kind of question that I would ask I

3275
02:16:34,820 --> 02:16:32,130
think it's a very it shows some real

3276
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:34,830
insight on his part do cases involving

3277
02:16:40,700 --> 02:16:37,290
close proximity between the officer and

3278
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:40,710
the UFO produce more distorted bizarre

3279
02:16:45,410 --> 02:16:43,110
reports with let's say time lapses

3280
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:45,420
strange sounds and or some sort of

3281
02:16:49,670 --> 02:16:47,760
disjointed narrative compared to the

3282
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:49,680
more distant witnessing of an object

3283
02:16:55,130 --> 02:16:51,840
just flying by in the sky it's a good

3284
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:55,140
question and he his follow-up is also

3285
02:16:57,620 --> 02:16:55,770
interesting

3286
02:17:00,200 --> 02:16:57,630
if proximity is a factor in producing

3287
02:17:01,700 --> 02:17:00,210
reports of high strangeness what do you

3288
02:17:04,670 --> 02:17:01,710
think is going on and causing these

3289
02:17:06,770 --> 02:17:04,680
events could these have been the result

3290
02:17:09,140 --> 02:17:06,780
of hallucinations because of some sort

3291
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:09,150
of energy being produced by these craft

3292
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:11,040
that's kind of my little addition at the

3293
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,960
end there okay and how many clothes

3294
02:17:17,180 --> 02:17:14,880
products have good quality clothes parks

3295
02:17:19,550 --> 02:17:17,190
how many cases approximately do you have

3296
02:17:21,290 --> 02:17:19,560
off top of my head I couldn't quote you

3297
02:17:23,630 --> 02:17:21,300
an accurate figure but I can think of

3298
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:23,640
many many cases that I would consider

3299
02:17:28,730 --> 02:17:26,010
close proximity what I mean by a close

3300
02:17:31,490 --> 02:17:28,740
proximity would be within a few hundred

3301
02:17:33,050 --> 02:17:31,500
meters 200 meters 300 meters some less

3302
02:17:35,510 --> 02:17:33,060
than a hundred meters so there are

3303
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:35,520
plenty cases like that as to the effect

3304
02:17:43,090 --> 02:17:40,010
then I can say only two or three cases

3305
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:43,100
officers affected in the sense of the

3306
02:17:48,470 --> 02:17:46,590
what they described to me kind of leaves

3307
02:17:51,380 --> 02:17:48,480
them that there's the possibility of

3308
02:17:54,050 --> 02:17:51,390
some missing time but the couple of

3309
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:54,060
cases I can think of the officers have

3310
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,490
not been wanting to go down that route

3311
02:18:00,320 --> 02:17:58,800
at all he's to problematical they don't

3312
02:18:02,750 --> 02:18:00,330
want to address that rightly or wrongly

3313
02:18:04,750 --> 02:18:02,760
so fair not what it would say so in the

3314
02:18:07,430 --> 02:18:04,760
vast majority cases in the plus

3315
02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:07,440
proximity cases there there's no effects

3316
02:18:11,660 --> 02:18:08,340
that I'm aware of

3317
02:18:13,460 --> 02:18:11,670
but what sometimes happens and this is

3318
02:18:15,500 --> 02:18:13,470
being described in I think at least a

3319
02:18:18,110 --> 02:18:15,510
half a dozen cases that I can think of

3320
02:18:19,730 --> 02:18:18,120
is that police officers will see an

3321
02:18:21,770 --> 02:18:19,740
object they will go through this

3322
02:18:23,750 --> 02:18:21,780
rational process of thinking are

3323
02:18:25,790 --> 02:18:23,760
supplying or is it a plane or a

3324
02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:25,800
helicopter the bottle they what it can

3325
02:18:30,980 --> 02:18:28,710
be and then kind of think it's not that

3326
02:18:32,510 --> 02:18:30,990
and then eventually they'll realize that

3327
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:32,520
they're dealing with something strange

3328
02:18:37,790 --> 02:18:35,250
and something they say it's their words

3329
02:18:39,590 --> 02:18:37,800
will compel them to flush the car

3330
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:39,600
headlights of them or to shine a torch

3331
02:18:44,690 --> 02:18:42,210
of them and sometimes when they've done

3332
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:44,700
that the object reacts by either moving

3333
02:18:48,110 --> 02:18:47,490
cloth in an instant or backing away in

3334
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:48,120
an instant

3335
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:50,090
as if there's a recognition

3336
02:18:56,300 --> 02:18:53,280
communication factor but beyond that no

3337
02:18:59,300 --> 02:18:56,310
it's interesting because I've found that

3338
02:19:01,550 --> 02:18:59,310
as well that people tend to be more

3339
02:19:02,750 --> 02:19:01,560
amazed and more impressed the closer

3340
02:19:05,810 --> 02:19:02,760
they are to a particular object

3341
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:05,820
especially in daylight but I haven't

3342
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:08,160
really I only have a handful of cases

3343
02:19:10,730 --> 02:19:08,880
that have any

3344
02:19:13,219 --> 02:19:10,740
sort of physiological apparent

3345
02:19:17,150 --> 02:19:13,229
physiological effects from from close

3346
02:19:19,490 --> 02:19:17,160
proximity to a craft here's one from one

3347
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:19,500
of our German posters poulter worst he's

3348
02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:21,210
been a longtime poster here at the pair

3349
02:19:25,700 --> 02:19:24,210
of cast and he says hello thank you very

3350
02:19:28,700 --> 02:19:25,710
much for coming on the show and for your

3351
02:19:31,129 --> 02:19:28,710
outstanding work what do you think is

3352
02:19:33,709 --> 02:19:31,139
the number of police reports which are

3353
02:19:36,139 --> 02:19:33,719
genuinely unexplainable that have never

3354
02:19:39,230 --> 02:19:36,149
been made public in relation to those

3355
02:19:41,330 --> 02:19:39,240
that do in other words how many cases do

3356
02:19:43,969 --> 02:19:41,340
you think you're actually getting how do

3357
02:19:46,580 --> 02:19:43,979
the ones that could possibly be there do

3358
02:19:48,049 --> 02:19:46,590
you have a sense of of maybe you know

3359
02:19:51,410 --> 02:19:48,059
I've heard the number bantered around

3360
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:51,420
one out of ten UFO sightings are

3361
02:19:55,969 --> 02:19:53,760
actually reported do you have a sense of

3362
02:19:58,370 --> 02:19:55,979
how many police officers are not coming

3363
02:20:00,320 --> 02:19:58,380
forward with sightings no I think I

3364
02:20:04,190 --> 02:20:00,330
would probably agree with you in the 1

3365
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:04,200
in 10 and the two common reasons that

3366
02:20:08,270 --> 02:20:06,210
absolutely loud and clear and I think

3367
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:08,280
you set code by any other kind of

3368
02:20:13,550 --> 02:20:11,040
profession is that stops officers coming

3369
02:20:16,490 --> 02:20:13,560
forward is the fear of ridicule as the

3370
02:20:18,650 --> 02:20:16,500
primary well then a secondary which is a

3371
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,660
perceived risk to their career I

3372
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:20,640
what happened to me kind of thing the

3373
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:22,500
the the can impact on you and it

3374
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:24,240
certainly Alan Godfrey when you go back

3375
02:20:29,420 --> 02:20:27,330
to that abduction case in 1980 when he

3376
02:20:31,010 --> 02:20:29,430
was getting national publicity the West

3377
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:31,020
job police turned on him something

3378
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:32,880
chronic to the point where he was suing

3379
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:35,280
the force but in the end he had to drop

3380
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,960
it because he couldn't risk losing and

3381
02:20:40,940 --> 02:20:38,880
was in his house if they were made his

3382
02:20:44,210 --> 02:20:40,950
life very difficult for the remainder is

3383
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:44,220
service much more so than ever hassled I

3384
02:20:48,980 --> 02:20:46,080
got mines nothing is compared with the

3385
02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:48,990
hasta la allen got so yeah generally

3386
02:20:55,010 --> 02:20:52,530
speaking I think that it's a factor but

3387
02:20:57,920 --> 02:20:55,020
I don't think it's very easy to make

3388
02:20:59,810 --> 02:20:57,930
that determination no obviously it would

3389
02:21:01,610 --> 02:20:59,820
just be an educated guess but his

3390
02:21:03,620 --> 02:21:01,620
follow-up question is what are the

3391
02:21:05,870 --> 02:21:03,630
reasons police officers give when they

3392
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:05,880
do relate their stories to you and they

3393
02:21:09,080 --> 02:21:06,930
do come forward

3394
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:09,090
why don't they remain silent about them

3395
02:21:12,500 --> 02:21:11,130
they must know what it does to their you

3396
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:12,510
know potentially will do for their

3397
02:21:17,060 --> 02:21:14,130
reputation social standing as we were

3398
02:21:20,090 --> 02:21:17,070
just talking about what are some of the

3399
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:20,100
reasons that officers give when they

3400
02:21:25,689 --> 02:21:22,640
actually file a report well you move

3401
02:21:27,670 --> 02:21:25,699
to two areas there you move into the on

3402
02:21:29,979 --> 02:21:27,680
duty sighting that is reported

3403
02:21:31,929 --> 02:21:29,989
officially are you talking about an

3404
02:21:34,330 --> 02:21:31,939
on-duty sighting that because of its

3405
02:21:36,340 --> 02:21:34,340
size strangeness he's not reported and

3406
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:36,350
stares with the officer for many years

3407
02:21:39,729 --> 02:21:37,520
they don't tell anybody

3408
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:39,739
I've had officers several officers

3409
02:21:45,309 --> 02:21:42,800
several different cases have said to me

3410
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:45,319
I only found out about your database by

3411
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:47,210
accident I'm amazed that there's a

3412
02:21:51,849 --> 02:21:50,090
police database like this you probably

3413
02:21:52,809 --> 02:21:51,859
think I'm going to be crazy but I'll

3414
02:21:55,660 --> 02:21:52,819
tell you my story

3415
02:21:58,149 --> 02:21:55,670
so once I've convinced them that I am

3416
02:22:01,389 --> 02:21:58,159
who I say I am and that I'm a bona fide

3417
02:22:03,099 --> 02:22:01,399
police officer I was then they relaxed

3418
02:22:05,469 --> 02:22:03,109
and their tour and they base a little

3419
02:22:08,229 --> 02:22:05,479
say look and even tell my wife this what

3420
02:22:10,599 --> 02:22:08,239
may and a colleague in 1966 saw this

3421
02:22:12,939 --> 02:22:10,609
that kind of story so you you can have

3422
02:22:16,450 --> 02:22:12,949
stories I've had many cases where

3423
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,460
multiple witness cases have like the two

3424
02:22:19,599 --> 02:22:18,319
officers in the police Kyle say right

3425
02:22:21,820 --> 02:22:19,609
we're never going to talk about this

3426
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:21,830
again and they don't tell the wife the

3427
02:22:25,899 --> 02:22:24,050
doc tell the families and then they find

3428
02:22:27,820 --> 02:22:25,909
out about me and then one of more ring

3429
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:27,830
me up and say well we have this story

3430
02:22:31,929 --> 02:22:30,050
and there's the details of my man even

3431
02:22:33,880 --> 02:22:31,939
come robbery at that so I think that's

3432
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:33,890
that's actually very common I've had

3433
02:22:40,149 --> 02:22:37,130
police officers almost in tears with the

3434
02:22:42,460 --> 02:22:40,159
release the relief as it were to finally

3435
02:22:44,979 --> 02:22:42,470
be able to tell their story without this

3436
02:22:47,769 --> 02:22:44,989
fear of ridicule and retribution to

3437
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:47,779
their career one particular case I can

3438
02:22:51,550 --> 02:22:49,760
remember he was almost in tears and I

3439
02:22:53,830 --> 02:22:51,560
spoke to him for two hours on the GAR

3440
02:22:56,139 --> 02:22:53,840
and it was almost a cathartic experience

3441
02:22:58,540 --> 02:22:56,149
it was almost as if I was acting as a

3442
02:23:00,700 --> 02:22:58,550
stress counselor and he wasn't burden

3443
02:23:02,439 --> 02:23:00,710
himself with this thing I believe I know

3444
02:23:05,260 --> 02:23:02,449
that feeling I've had that happen a

3445
02:23:07,899 --> 02:23:05,270
bunch you know sorry a lot of people

3446
02:23:10,570 --> 02:23:07,909
because this fear factor refused to come

3447
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:10,580
forward I sense that it's the tip of an

3448
02:23:15,790 --> 02:23:12,770
iceberg what I've accomplished I think

3449
02:23:16,990 --> 02:23:15,800
what I do could be set up by in every

3450
02:23:19,570 --> 02:23:17,000
country of the world so you could have a

3451
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:19,580
police database back ideally a serving

3452
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,680
or retired officer so you've got that

3453
02:23:26,139 --> 02:23:23,840
kinship element to get the officers to

3454
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:26,149
feel confident about coming forward I

3455
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:29,449
mean the thing is that the frustration

3456
02:23:34,210 --> 02:23:32,210
is that as I become more well-known and

3457
02:23:35,860 --> 02:23:34,220
that the numbers have grown into the

3458
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:35,870
hundreds many hundreds

3459
02:23:40,511 --> 02:23:38,090
what should have happened in a what you

3460
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:40,521
would say in an open media is that I

3461
02:23:43,870 --> 02:23:42,650
should have got more well-known the

3462
02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:43,880
figure should have been more widely

3463
02:23:47,290 --> 02:23:45,650
reported in the mass media

3464
02:23:49,330 --> 02:23:47,300
so therefore more people would know

3465
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:49,340
about me therefore the odds are that

3466
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:50,930
more officers will come forward well

3467
02:23:54,610 --> 02:23:52,730
actually as the more I've come become

3468
02:23:56,110 --> 02:23:54,620
well now the more the figures have come

3469
02:23:57,761 --> 02:23:56,120
forward the press don't want to go near

3470
02:24:00,220 --> 02:23:57,771
me and you've got to ask yourself

3471
02:24:01,091 --> 02:24:00,230
logically without being a conspiracy

3472
02:24:03,580 --> 02:24:01,101
theorist

3473
02:24:05,950 --> 02:24:03,590
why that is a little most logical answer

3474
02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:05,960
is they don't want to known that don't

3475
02:24:10,420 --> 02:24:08,000
want to tell the people just down the

3476
02:24:12,430 --> 02:24:10,430
good cases there are and press overt

3477
02:24:14,170 --> 02:24:12,440
roll down on the media I'll tell you

3478
02:24:16,930 --> 02:24:14,180
what let's do our break we have Gary

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02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:16,940
Heseltine joining us with Jean and Chris

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the liberties of the people than a

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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certainly does work

3560
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that's what jack from michigan had to

3561
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say after his experience with heart pain

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and what he did to treat it with heart

3563
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and body extract I actually had a huge

3564
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heart flutter he's also having some

3565
02:28:00,180 --> 02:27:57,280
edema around my ankles and very

3566
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worrisome clot in my right leg that

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would happen from time to time I was

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trying to sleep heart and body extract

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past problems associated with the heart

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02:28:15,301 --> 02:28:12,910
and body circulation after my second

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bottle of heart and body extract all

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problems are now gone order at HB

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a third bottle of heart and body extract

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for maintenance as I want to keep

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everything working order heart and body

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extract at eight six six two nine five

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

3584
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:48,391
you're listening to the podcast the gold

3585
02:28:58,889 --> 02:28:51,050
standard of paranormal radio

3586
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:02,950
we have Gary Heseltine he is a former

3587
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:04,880
police officer who has a database on

3588
02:29:09,099 --> 02:29:06,410
UFOs and of course he's got a new

3589
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:09,109
magazine called UFO truth he'll tell you

3590
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:10,970
about later but right now with Jeana and

3591
02:29:15,639 --> 02:29:14,000
Kris Kris is asking questions from you

3592
02:29:17,380 --> 02:29:15,649
listeners and we only have a few minutes

3593
02:29:17,889 --> 02:29:17,390
left so let's just get right to them

3594
02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:17,899
Kris

3595
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:20,470
well this comes from a real active

3596
02:29:26,500 --> 02:29:23,570
ufologist from Calgary Canada caused

3597
02:29:28,450 --> 02:29:26,510
himself ufology and the question is is a

3598
02:29:31,060 --> 02:29:28,460
trained detective in your experience

3599
02:29:32,440 --> 02:29:31,070
Gary what percentage of reports have

3600
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:32,450
turned out to be proven to your

3601
02:29:36,460 --> 02:29:34,880
satisfaction to have been hoaxes and can

3602
02:29:38,650 --> 02:29:36,470
you please give us an example of such a

3603
02:29:41,230 --> 02:29:38,660
hoax and what to look for during an

3604
02:29:43,240 --> 02:29:41,240
investigation that would give it away as

3605
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,250
a hoax other than the obvious CEO model

3606
02:29:46,570 --> 02:29:45,439
hanging from a string scenario well

3607
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:46,580
you've got to understand with my

3608
02:29:50,110 --> 02:29:48,290
research is that when I was a serving

3609
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:50,120
officer I was Detective so I was very

3610
02:29:55,929 --> 02:29:53,210
busy so what I would say was I was a UFO

3611
02:29:57,550 --> 02:29:55,939
researcher and that meant that cases

3612
02:29:59,500 --> 02:29:57,560
were coming to me I would not have

3613
02:30:01,599 --> 02:29:59,510
called myself for UFO investigator

3614
02:30:03,340 --> 02:30:01,609
because I did not have the time to go

3615
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,350
out there interview all the people I

3616
02:30:07,810 --> 02:30:05,359
would naturally do in a kind of a police

3617
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:07,820
investigation so if there's a slight

3618
02:30:11,110 --> 02:30:08,960
difference and that's something that I

3619
02:30:13,690 --> 02:30:11,120
want to do now I've retired that I can

3620
02:30:16,420 --> 02:30:13,700
get my teeth into using my detective

3621
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:16,430
acumen skills if you will in more active

3622
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:18,890
cases I will become the investigator but

3623
02:30:23,139 --> 02:30:20,720
to answer your question the

3624
02:30:25,450 --> 02:30:23,149
investigation side I always speak to

3625
02:30:26,980 --> 02:30:25,460
people in isolation separate them if the

3626
02:30:29,560 --> 02:30:26,990
multiple witnesses almost beaten them

3627
02:30:33,070 --> 02:30:29,570
separately always verify who they are I

3628
02:30:34,810 --> 02:30:33,080
take notes I do very verification checks

3629
02:30:36,910 --> 02:30:34,820
on who these people are I get them to

3630
02:30:39,179 --> 02:30:36,920
send photographs to me in the uniform

3631
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:39,189
they have to give me a certified

3632
02:30:42,880 --> 02:30:41,120
declaration at the time the truth all

3633
02:30:45,820 --> 02:30:42,890
this kind of thing that kind of makes

3634
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:45,830
this or what I can honestly say in all

3635
02:30:51,940 --> 02:30:48,770
of my 11 years of research I think on

3636
02:30:54,219 --> 02:30:51,950
only one occasion as a police officer

3637
02:30:55,960 --> 02:30:54,229
contacted my wife thought is

3638
02:30:59,260 --> 02:30:55,970
questionable and it's not on the

3639
02:31:02,139 --> 02:30:59,270
database so only one out of hundreds Wow

3640
02:31:04,030 --> 02:31:02,149
right and so that's a real well you

3641
02:31:06,849 --> 02:31:04,040
would figure I mean law enforcement

3642
02:31:10,030 --> 02:31:06,859
officials are I mean their whole life is

3643
02:31:11,530 --> 02:31:10,040
based on ascertaining the truth you know

3644
02:31:12,100 --> 02:31:11,540
I was hoping that I'd hear you say this

3645
02:31:14,620 --> 02:31:12,110
because

3646
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:14,630
it's the exact opposite coming forward

3647
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:16,880
with the hoax to me is just not in the

3648
02:31:22,990 --> 02:31:20,090
personality profile no for a for a

3649
02:31:24,850 --> 02:31:23,000
police officer to go public or approach

3650
02:31:27,580 --> 02:31:24,860
me it's because they've got something

3651
02:31:29,801 --> 02:31:27,590
real that they want to say it many times

3652
02:31:31,420 --> 02:31:29,811
the historical accounts most of the time

3653
02:31:34,511 --> 02:31:31,430
it's retired officers who've got the

3654
02:31:36,310 --> 02:31:34,521
pensions for you're less threatened the

3655
02:31:37,690 --> 02:31:36,320
serving officers that approach me they

3656
02:31:39,490 --> 02:31:37,700
generally want to be anonymous and

3657
02:31:40,990 --> 02:31:39,500
that's fine and they're a source to me

3658
02:31:43,301 --> 02:31:41,000
as long as I check them out and they are

3659
02:31:45,610 --> 02:31:43,311
in this area then I'll protect them as a

3660
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:45,620
source and why not because I'm keen to

3661
02:31:50,020 --> 02:31:47,930
get these real stories out there even of

3662
02:31:51,970 --> 02:31:50,030
all the members of the public that have

3663
02:31:54,430 --> 02:31:51,980
contacted me over the last 11 years of

3664
02:31:55,720 --> 02:31:54,440
research the percentage of people that I

3665
02:31:59,220 --> 02:31:55,730
thought these are just nutters

3666
02:32:02,680 --> 02:31:59,230
completely out of it is very very tiny

3667
02:32:05,261 --> 02:32:02,690
2% very few the vast majority of people

3668
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:05,271
you can tell within minutes as a trained

3669
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:07,040
investigator where they're recalling

3670
02:32:12,130 --> 02:32:09,200
real events or they're just making it up

3671
02:32:13,511 --> 02:32:12,140
on the fly so the answer is not what the

3672
02:32:15,520 --> 02:32:13,521
press will say that there's a lot of

3673
02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:15,530
hope scene goes on I think nationally

3674
02:32:21,730 --> 02:32:18,350
there what's the figure that they say in

3675
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:21,740
UFOs 8% well I think it's even less than

3676
02:32:27,310 --> 02:32:24,880
that I think for anybody to approach a

3677
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:27,320
researcher or certainly a police officer

3678
02:32:30,580 --> 02:32:28,970
in my case they obviously know that

3679
02:32:32,500 --> 02:32:30,590
they're going to get scrutinized a bit I

3680
02:32:34,480 --> 02:32:32,510
think very few people would approach me

3681
02:32:37,511 --> 02:32:34,490
with anything other than a credible

3682
02:32:40,750 --> 02:32:37,521
story yeah and I'd found that to that

3683
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:40,760
very very few people actually knowingly

3684
02:32:46,330 --> 02:32:43,850
have attempted to hoax me and my work

3685
02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:46,340
I've had quite a number of people

3686
02:32:51,730 --> 02:32:50,240
approach me not being able to really you

3687
02:32:53,940 --> 02:32:51,740
know accurately determine what it is

3688
02:32:58,060 --> 02:32:53,950
that they're looking at just mistaken

3689
02:32:59,530 --> 02:32:58,070
impressions that sort of thing which if

3690
02:33:00,910 --> 02:32:59,540
what they described to me I said well

3691
02:33:03,130 --> 02:33:00,920
you've probably seen the Chinese lantern

3692
02:33:05,110 --> 02:33:03,140
if that's what it looks like obviously I

3693
02:33:06,670 --> 02:33:05,120
wasn't there bla bla but I'll call it as

3694
02:33:08,830 --> 02:33:06,680
I see it now everything that comes in I

3695
02:33:10,860 --> 02:33:08,840
think is 80 I look at each case on its

3696
02:33:13,960 --> 02:33:10,870
merits but just going back to you there

3697
02:33:16,210 --> 02:33:13,970
there was an occasion where I believe

3698
02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:16,220
somebody tried to put a major

3699
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:18,860
disinformation to me and it's what child

3700
02:33:23,500 --> 02:33:21,290
salt talks about in your recent

3701
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:23,510
broadcast with Leslie King and he didn't

3702
02:33:26,349 --> 02:33:25,010
name me but he said her friend had

3703
02:33:28,300 --> 02:33:26,359
basically been approached

3704
02:33:30,910 --> 02:33:28,310
and was the officer that was the person

3705
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:30,920
he was talking about when the this this

3706
02:33:35,650 --> 02:33:33,439
guy this redeye guy kidding for would be

3707
02:33:38,139 --> 02:33:35,660
with me and asked and said he was at

3708
02:33:39,700 --> 02:33:38,149
Rendlesham and blah blah blah and it's

3709
02:33:41,770 --> 02:33:39,710
Wilson character that was on coast to

3710
02:33:43,809 --> 02:33:41,780
coast with the claim it's me that that

3711
02:33:46,210 --> 02:33:43,819
originates from and basically what

3712
02:33:47,830 --> 02:33:46,220
happened was that he came across with

3713
02:33:49,599 --> 02:33:47,840
all this information and he sounded

3714
02:33:52,210 --> 02:33:49,609
really credible it was a very detailed

3715
02:33:54,130 --> 02:33:52,220
set of information not all the

3716
02:33:56,349 --> 02:33:54,140
sensationalistic which I think added to

3717
02:33:58,330 --> 02:33:56,359
its credibility initially and then I

3718
02:34:00,280 --> 02:33:58,340
started to do what any detective should

3719
02:34:02,710 --> 02:34:00,290
do I threw battle all the clarification

3720
02:34:05,290 --> 02:34:02,720
questions he then responded and what are

3721
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:05,300
we on he's a banter over a few days of

3722
02:34:10,179 --> 02:34:07,280
seven emails I think it was in the end

3723
02:34:12,309 --> 02:34:10,189
where I'd asked very specific detailed

3724
02:34:14,500 --> 02:34:12,319
information to scrutinize what he was

3725
02:34:16,270 --> 02:34:14,510
saying and clarifying and basically at

3726
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:16,280
the end of it I said okay you pay to

3727
02:34:21,940 --> 02:34:19,280
I've got some very detailed information

3728
02:34:25,059 --> 02:34:21,950
I need now now for you to prove to me

3729
02:34:27,400 --> 02:34:25,069
who you are so that I can verify who you

3730
02:34:29,559 --> 02:34:27,410
are so then I can talk about this case

3731
02:34:30,190 --> 02:34:29,569
publicly and as soon as I went back and

3732
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:30,200
said right

3733
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:32,210
verify yourself to me you can be a

3734
02:34:34,480 --> 02:34:34,160
source but I've got to know exactly who

3735
02:34:37,780 --> 02:34:34,490
you are

3736
02:34:39,910 --> 02:34:37,790
and vet you and know that what you say

3737
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:39,920
you are is who you say you are and as

3738
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:42,319
soon as I did that nothing further

3739
02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:44,210
I talked to Grant Cameron about it and

3740
02:34:48,460 --> 02:34:46,640
I've talked to Robert Salas about it at

3741
02:34:49,900 --> 02:34:48,470
all Charles Holt about it and of course

3742
02:34:52,540 --> 02:34:49,910
William being in America he's got his

3743
02:34:54,040 --> 02:34:52,550
links to intelligence or rather links to

3744
02:34:56,170 --> 02:34:54,050
people who can trace things in America

3745
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,180
which I adore and in the bottom line is

3746
02:35:02,139 --> 02:34:58,640
we can't find him but at the end of it

3747
02:35:03,880 --> 02:35:02,149
as Charles halt said my gut feeling was

3748
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:03,890
that there's something to what he said

3749
02:35:09,460 --> 02:35:06,800
but his role was of August and I think

3750
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:09,470
that he tried to see if I would put out

3751
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,770
this information unverified as a test to

3752
02:35:16,719 --> 02:35:15,200
me as a researcher would I just fall for

3753
02:35:19,150 --> 02:35:16,729
it hook line and sinker and the but I

3754
02:35:20,710 --> 02:35:19,160
didn't and I did my job properly and as

3755
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:20,720
soon as asked that question he backed

3756
02:35:28,900 --> 02:35:25,370
off and yeah I refused to put into my

3757
02:35:30,849 --> 02:35:28,910
database any sort of you know a person

3758
02:35:32,860 --> 02:35:30,859
that comes to comes forward and doesn't

3759
02:35:35,770 --> 02:35:32,870
you know produce bona fides of who they

3760
02:35:38,751 --> 02:35:35,780
are I need to be totally certain that I

3761
02:35:40,551 --> 02:35:38,761
am dealing with with a known entity in

3762
02:35:41,871 --> 02:35:40,561
and I I've never really had a problem

3763
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:41,881
with that because people who have

3764
02:35:46,371 --> 02:35:44,490
genuine experiences are generally not

3765
02:35:48,740 --> 02:35:46,381
afraid to if you're gonna promise

3766
02:35:50,930 --> 02:35:48,750
anonymity to them let's say they will

3767
02:35:52,761 --> 02:35:50,940
come forward yeah absolutely and this is

3768
02:35:55,640 --> 02:35:52,771
in the sentence goes back to this wider

3769
02:35:57,801 --> 02:35:55,650
issue in an ideal world what I'd like to

3770
02:36:00,201 --> 02:35:57,811
see from an evidential point of view is

3771
02:36:01,730 --> 02:36:00,211
that we should have an organization for

3772
02:36:03,951 --> 02:36:01,740
pilots all around the world you've got

3773
02:36:06,381 --> 02:36:03,961
an AK up in America but in a sense each

3774
02:36:09,411 --> 02:36:06,391
country should have a pilot group the

3775
02:36:11,150 --> 02:36:09,421
police group and if we really got our

3776
02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:11,160
act together as researchers and got

3777
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:13,410
people on ball we'd have a million more

3778
02:36:16,701 --> 02:36:14,610
times evidence of what we've actually

3779
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:16,711
got because we have specialists in these

3780
02:36:19,940 --> 02:36:19,290
key areas yeah get more specialists to

3781
02:36:22,551 --> 02:36:19,950
come forward

3782
02:36:24,530 --> 02:36:22,561
yeah I agree and I think coming with an

3783
02:36:27,081 --> 02:36:24,540
approach that that features people who

3784
02:36:29,421 --> 02:36:27,091
are inside a particular category or

3785
02:36:32,661 --> 02:36:29,431
group like like a pilot which attains

3786
02:36:35,030 --> 02:36:32,671
doing our cap yourself doing law

3787
02:36:37,551 --> 02:36:35,040
enforcement maybe astronomers should

3788
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:37,561
have an Allen Hynek filing away or

3789
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:39,330
Rockville a falling away reports from

3790
02:36:42,740 --> 02:36:41,370
astronomers but this has been really

3791
02:36:45,081 --> 02:36:42,750
fascinating Gary and I really look

3792
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:45,091
forward to continue to get to know you

3793
02:36:50,810 --> 02:36:48,450
and and and follow your work and and you

3794
02:36:52,341 --> 02:36:50,820
know again my hat hats off to you it's

3795
02:36:54,261 --> 02:36:52,351
it's been a really courageous thing that

3796
02:36:56,930 --> 02:36:54,271
you've done I'm glad you have gotten

3797
02:36:58,780 --> 02:36:56,940
through fairly unscathed here and I'm

3798
02:37:01,070 --> 02:36:58,790
one of your biggest fans and I know

3799
02:37:03,801 --> 02:37:01,080
you're gonna be back on the on the pair

3800
02:37:05,301 --> 02:37:03,811
of cast as a reoccurring guest and I'm

3801
02:37:07,820 --> 02:37:05,311
sure that folks out there really gonna

3802
02:37:12,051 --> 02:37:07,830
enjoy listening to you on this show well

3803
02:37:14,270 --> 02:37:12,061
I appreciate the opportunity to talk

3804
02:37:15,890 --> 02:37:14,280
about this subject hopefully what you

3805
02:37:17,541 --> 02:37:15,900
will get from me is very somebody was

3806
02:37:19,100 --> 02:37:17,551
very passionate about it and I think

3807
02:37:20,541 --> 02:37:19,110
that always comes through that's what

3808
02:37:22,490 --> 02:37:20,551
people always tell me I am very

3809
02:37:25,551 --> 02:37:22,500
passionate about this you know I'm

3810
02:37:27,890 --> 02:37:25,561
definite in my circumstantial evidence

3811
02:37:30,320 --> 02:37:27,900
based you know lots of people go to

3812
02:37:32,511 --> 02:37:30,330
prison without the body being found for

3813
02:37:34,310 --> 02:37:32,521
murder on a circumstantial case and this

3814
02:37:37,551 --> 02:37:34,320
is how I look at it in police in terms

3815
02:37:39,501 --> 02:37:37,561
that the case for UFOs has been et my

3816
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:39,511
personal opinion is that when you look

3817
02:37:44,751 --> 02:37:41,250
in the high-caliber witness categories

3818
02:37:47,091 --> 02:37:44,761
based on the circumstantial evidence of

3819
02:37:48,860 --> 02:37:47,101
the best cases are the pilots the

3820
02:37:51,201 --> 02:37:48,870
astronauts cosmonauts comments' etc

3821
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:51,211
etcetera the circumstantial evidence the

3822
02:37:54,970 --> 02:37:52,610
majority says to be

3823
02:37:57,220 --> 02:37:54,980
that this lien Swasey tea that's why I'm

3824
02:38:00,341 --> 02:37:57,230
happy to say can I prove it definitively

3825
02:38:02,230 --> 02:38:00,351
no and anybody know I'm gonna ask you

3826
02:38:05,381 --> 02:38:02,240
very quickly where can our listeners

3827
02:38:12,251 --> 02:38:05,391
find more of your information right go

3828
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:12,261
to www.youtube.com and the websites up

3829
02:38:17,291 --> 02:38:14,450
and running there's a nine page sampler

3830
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:17,301
issue that you can download for free and

3831
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:19,130
the first issue out is gonna be

3832
02:38:23,410 --> 02:38:21,530
bimonthly it's now gonna be 96 pages

3833
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:23,420
initially I was looking at a two thought

3834
02:38:26,921 --> 02:38:25,040
because it's online and I've got enough

3835
02:38:29,801 --> 02:38:26,931
material it's gonna be a 96 page

3836
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:29,811
bimonthly the best my opinion the best

3837
02:38:35,530 --> 02:38:32,210
researchers around the world okay we can

3838
02:38:38,350 --> 02:38:35,540
find us on the para cast con that's the

3839
02:38:40,631 --> 02:38:38,360
para cast calm the power cast is on

3840
02:38:44,261 --> 02:38:40,641
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3841
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:44,271
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3842
02:38:49,660 --> 02:38:48,170
strange planet calm Gary Heseltine thank

3843
02:38:53,530 --> 02:38:49,670
you so much for joining us this week on

3844
02:38:59,530 --> 02:38:56,011
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3845
02:39:02,440 --> 02:38:59,540
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3846
02:39:05,430 --> 02:39:02,450
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3847
02:39:09,340 --> 02:39:05,440
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3848
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